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POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

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joecct said:
Given the current standards of the day by the easily offended but unharmed, I think that the Washington Post should be a prime target for closure.

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*sigh*

You do know that anyone can put an ad on Craigslist, right? So some conservative org could be making this up with a dummy email, then having their pundidiots point to it, and say, "See?!?! Paid protesters! Soros!1!!11! OOGA-BOOGA!"
 
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You ever notice that the same people who are defending the Southern Racists right to free speech also seem to be the people who are super duper offended because Colin Kaepernick takes a knee? Isnt it funny how that works?
 
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Handyman said:
You ever notice that the same people who are defending the Southern Racists right to free speech also seem to be the people who are super duper offended because Colin Kaepernick takes a knee? Isnt it funny how that works?
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'Murica!
 
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Handyman said:
You ever notice that the same people who are defending the Southern Racists right to free speech also seem to be the people who are super duper offended because Colin Kaepernick takes a knee? Isnt it funny how that works?
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Once again, Kaepernick is protesting to protect, or even just evenly apply rights to all citizens.

Whereas the southern racists want to take rights away from people.

Such a very different argument each side is taking.
 
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alfablue said:
Once again, Kaepernick is protesting to protect, or even just evenly apply rights to all citizens.

Whereas the southern racists want to take rights away from people.

Such a very different argument each side is taking.
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Polar opposites. One side loves 'Murica. The other side hates 'Murica.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Polar opposites. One side loves 'Murica. The other side hates 'Murica.
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Sure makes one relieved that we are a republic vs. a pure democracy. Legally, we keep making sure that everyone is equal, and it's impossible for the trolls to get their way. (I'm not putting a location on that troll thing- as I am fully aware that legalized segregation was fully in place here in Michigan- my title clearly says who was not allowed, legally, to buy my property. And that was true up until the late 60's. )

In spite of people like joe who tries to convince you he's an ok person, but is quick to deny rights to people who don't agree with him (see gay marriage, again). Bob was the same way.

Let alone the rather biased treatments minorities continue to get from law enforcement- both police and the justice system.
 
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alfablue said:
Sure makes one relieved that we are a republic vs. a pure democracy.
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Kind of.

On the one hand, mob rule is bad. On the other hand, if decisions involving life and liberty and, far more importantly to the rich, property, were up to the masses then the 1% would be less gung ho to drive those masses deliberately into ignorance and the anesthesia of sports and television. If the Bush and Clinton (and Koch and Soros) family fortunes were at the whim of the majority, we'd see a lot more education spending, particularly history, political science, economics, and liberal arts.

By definition, the mob isn't stupid, it's average. Average voters have enough on the ball not to have wandered into traffic by the time they're 18. They aren't morons, they just ignorant as f-ck, and that ignorance is in large part a deliberate policy choice by elites because it makes the mob easier to control and far easier to sell to. The 1% is free to do that because the mob has very little power to really hurt them. Technology has rendered the elite impervious to mob violence, while our political system has removed their political power on fundamental matters. This is good because we're not hanging atheists in the public square, but the downside is white collar criminals who ruin millions of lives have zero accountability, and as soon as any political force becomes strong enough to challenge plutocracy it is easily co-opted by simply extending the privilege to its members (compare political liberalism today to, say, 1929).

The plutes on the right and we their more fun at parties intellectual brethren on the left are armchair generals. Full and direct democracy would stick us in the trenches to live or die based on the collective decisions of the Great Unwashed. Now, that sounds awful to me personally and I'll fight it because hey I worked hard for my spa tub and sex loft. But it also sounds American as hell.
 
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Kepler said:
Kind of.

On the one hand, mob rule is bad. On the other hand, if decisions involving life and liberty and, far more importantly to the rich, property, were up to the masses then the 1% would be less gung ho to drive those masses deliberately into ignorance and the anesthesia of sports and television. If the Bush and Clinton (and Koch and Soros) family fortunes were at the whim of the majority, we'd see a lot more education spending, particularly history, political science, economics, and liberal arts.

By definition, the mob isn't stupid, it's average. Average voters have enough on the ball not to have wandered into traffic by the time they're 18. They aren't morons, they just ignorant as f-ck, and that ignorance is in large part a deliberate policy choice by elites because it makes the mob easier to control and far easier to sell to. The 1% is free to do that because the mob has very little power to really hurt them. Technology has rendered the elite impervious to mob violence, while our political system has removed their political power on fundamental matters. This is good because we're not hanging atheists in the public square, but the downside is white collar criminals who ruin millions of lives have zero accountability, and as soon as any political force becomes strong enough to challenge plutocracy it is easily co-opted by simply extending the privilege to its members (compare political liberalism today to, say, 1929).

The plutes on the right and we their more fun at parties intellectual brethren on the left are armchair generals. Full and direct democracy would stick us in the trenches to live or die based on the collective decisions of the Great Unwashed. Now, that sounds awful to me personally and I'll fight it because hey I worked hard for my spa tub and sex loft. But it also sounds American as hell.
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As much as that sounds good, I'm not sure if we would really see more spending on education. Even with "free speech"- we will never have equal speech- and given that throughout history, people in power have somehow convinced those not in power to support them- my gut tells me that we would be more of a lord-serf stage right now vs. the opposite direction. I'm sure they would have convinced people that land owning is the only real reason you should be allowed to vote, and this country would have just been run by land owners- most of which are wealthy. And it would be easy to put land ownership barriers to only let their own kind in.

I just don't see any real difference, other than mob rule against rights.

I'm not a major historian, so if there's a good, pure democratic system in the past, I don't know it.
 
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alfablue said:
I'm not a major historian, so if there's a good, pure democratic system in the past, I don't know it.
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There is no pure direct democracy in recorded history that I know. The ancient "althing" might be the closest. Some of the Greek city states dabbled but with atrocious limits on participation (women and slaves, yo).
 
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alfablue said:
I'm not a major historian, so if there's a good, pure democratic system in the past, I don't know it.
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No such thing. It would never work. Sadly the education system in America is so flawed they continue to incorrectly call us a Democracy. We're not. Never have been. The founders knew better.
 
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