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POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

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unofan said:
Malcolm X frowns on your shenanigans.

And let's not forget that there was an entire farking war fought over the issue of slavery. So now you're saying the Union was just as bad as the Confederacy?
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War is the abandonment of morality. You fight to win and not get killed. The March To The Sea and the destruction of the Shannendoah Valley were, as Cromwell put it, "Brutal Necessity".

But non violent protest won the day in the 60s. Let's remember that.
 
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joecct said:
There's a whole bunch of Von Braun stuff. I think Achtung! Panzer is still read by armor officers. If you want to read the writings of a demented mind, Mein Kampf is still sold in bookstores (who gets the royalties?).

Outside of WvB, I don't know of any memorials, but we can read a lot of stuff by members of Nazi Germany. Do you want to ban/burn offensive books because they offer views offensive to you?
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Again, who's talking about banning/burning books? Oh, the false equivalency beast rears its ugly head again.

Someone earlier posted about the statues and how they couldn't care less about them. Neither could I.

But someone else also posted that these memorials are no longer about history, or remembrance, or honoring historic figures. They're about icons for racist people and groups to rally around, and propagate their vile message. And if that's their sole purpose in today's society, then there really is no need to have them there.
 
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rufus said:
Again, who's talking about banning/burning books? Oh, the false equivalency beast rears its ugly head again.

Someone earlier posted about the statues and how they couldn't care less about them. Neither could I.

But someone else also posted that these memorials are no longer about history, or remembrance, or honoring historic figures. They're about icon for racist people and groups to rally around, and propagate their vile message. And if that's their sole purpose in today's society, then there really is no need to have them there.
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That's the problem. They were put there as an icon for racist people in the first place. Period. There would be no other reason for someone who committed treason to have a statue erected of them in the country where the treason was committed. None.

Statues gotta go.
 
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rufus said:
But someone else also posted that these memorials are no longer about history, or remembrance, or honoring historic figures. They're about icon for racist people and groups to rally around, and propagate their vile message. And if that's their sole purpose in today's society, then there really is no need to have them there.
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The statues were never about history, or remembrance, or honoring historic figures. Look at when they were built--during the height of Jim Crow and during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950's and 60's.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
The statues were never about history, or remembrance, or honoring historic figures. Look at when they were built--during the height of Jim Crow and during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950's and 60's.
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^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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joecct said:
War is the abandonment of morality. You fight to win and not get killed. The March To The Sea and the destruction of the Shannendoah Valley were, as Cromwell put it, "Brutal Necessity".

But non violent protest won the day in the 60s. Let's remember that.
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We remember because it was liberals who led the civil rights marches. And it was conservatives who fought us every step saying it was "too soon" or "divisive" or "outsider agitation."

And then, fifty years later, the instant the GOP was able to roll back the Voting Rights Act, the same chuckleheads and their children came right back.

As was said before: all Republicans aren't active racists. But racism isn't a deal breaker for them. Until that changes the right in this country has no moral credibility.
 
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There's a graph out there - the vast majority of these monuments went up between 1910 and 1970. Heck, a few were built after 2000.
 
Kepler said:
As was said before: all Republicans aren't active racists.
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This is nails on a chalk board to the grammar Nazi in me (pun intended).

Taken literally, you just said that none of them are racists. The correct phrasing is "Not all Republicans are racists."
 
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Apparently Trump now says the violence was 88% the alt-right's fault, and that it is wrong to give subtle shoutouts to neo-Nazis.
 
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Handyman said:
Pretty sure Kep and I did :(
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Yeah, you're right. There were a few. The minority. Most were like Rover and said Hillary was a sure thing and they could do whatever they wanted at the voting booth cause there was no way the Orange Baboon was going to get elected.

The Whities control the White House, the Senate, the House, and most of the elected offices in the country. Even the Supreme Court. Don't expect much correction to occur.
 
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French Rage said:
Apparently Trump now says the violence was 88% the alt-right's fault, and that it is wrong to give subtle shoutouts to neo-Nazis.
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88%. Is this him waiting for the all the facts to come in? If he's backtracking today he's adding hypocrisy and being a wimp to his list of faults.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
88%. Is this him waiting for the all the facts to come in? If he's backtracking today he's adding hypocrisy and being a wimp to his list of faults.
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You know what '88' means among neo-Nazis, right?
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I had to look it up. That's messed up.
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Wait. A Sioux hockey fan had to look that up?

I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just that I literally first actually learned about all this Neo-Nazi crap because of Ralph. Before that I had no idea Neo-Nazis were a thing outside of The Blues Brothers.
 
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joecct said:
There's a whole bunch of Von Braun stuff. I think Achtung! Panzer is still read by armor officers. If you want to read the writings of a demented mind, Mein Kampf is still sold in bookstores (who gets the royalties?).

Outside of WvB, I don't know of any memorials, but we can read a lot of stuff by members of Nazi Germany. Do you want to ban/burn offensive books because they offer views offensive to you?
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You know actually reading what people say will help with your completely misrepresenting their point.
 
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Kepler said:
We remember because it was liberals who led the civil rights marches. And it was conservatives who fought us every step saying it was "too soon" or "divisive" or "outsider agitation."

And then, fifty years later, the instant the GOP was able to roll back the Voting Rights Act, the same chuckleheads and their children came right back.

As was said before: all Republicans aren't active racists. But racism isn't a deal breaker for them. Until that changes the right in this country has no moral credibility.
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