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Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
It sure does. Around here too. Amazing.
It sure does. Around here too. Amazing.
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POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
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dave122793
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9 months since the election and I have yet to have 1 person admit to my face that they voted for Trump. The mantra I keep hearing is "well both sides are equally bad", which I've surmised is just code for "I voted for Trump, don't want to admit it, but I can't criticize the R's without saying something bad about the D's too." It's become predictable and tiresome.
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A couple polls that gave Trump more of a chance than others had the "neighbor factor" where they asked people who they thought their neighbor was going to vote for. These numbers were usually higher than ones asking directly who they were going to vote for.
Seems to me if you're too embarrassed to admit who you're going to vote for, you shouldn't vote for that candidate, but that's just me.
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Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
That's hard to believe. Not saying I don't believe you, more that it is surprising since all of the evidence I have seen is not only are trump voters still happy with what they consider the bang-up job he's done, but also they seem to have no shyness in proclaiming that they were his voters. If true I'd actually consider that a helpful sign. If you voted for trump you SHOULD be embarrassed. One of the problems with our culture anymore is a seeming lack of shame when you commit shameful acts. An off-shoot of the selfie generation. Or perhaps the selfie generation is the off-shoot.
That's hard to believe. Not saying I don't believe you, more that it is surprising since all of the evidence I have seen is not only are trump voters still happy with what they consider the bang-up job he's done, but also they seem to have no shyness in proclaiming that they were his voters. If true I'd actually consider that a helpful sign. If you voted for trump you SHOULD be embarrassed. One of the problems with our culture anymore is a seeming lack of shame when you commit shameful acts. An off-shoot of the selfie generation. Or perhaps the selfie generation is the off-shoot.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
No. I live here too and that's 100% wrong. Democrats voted for Dayton. Elected him. Knowing he would raise taxes. Also, we're not notoriously liberal. We've had many Republican Governors, Senators, and both Houses are under Republican control right now. Know your facts. You can't argue this one with me. I know.
No. I live here too and that's 100% wrong. Democrats voted for Dayton. Elected him. Knowing he would raise taxes. Also, we're not notoriously liberal. We've had many Republican Governors, Senators, and both Houses are under Republican control right now. Know your facts. You can't argue this one with me. I know.
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Notoriously liberal population (and therefore known to be willing to raise taxes) but everyone complains when raising taxes is mentioned? I think you have 2 + 2 equaling 5 there, Brent.
But then, it is Minnesota you're talking about, so maybe you're right.
Notoriously liberal population (and therefore known to be willing to raise taxes) but everyone complains when raising taxes is mentioned? I think you have 2 + 2 equaling 5 there, Brent.
But then, it is Minnesota you're talking about, so maybe you're right.
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leswp1
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Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
-but Hillary [would have been worse, is corrupt, is in collusion with X, is a horrible person]
-He is inexperienced [he didn't know better, he is new at this, he is learning]
-He is a successful business man so it will be OK. (not really but for some unfathomable reason they aren't capable of eeing or acknowledginge all the business failures he has)
-You just need to wait and see, people aren't giving him a chance. The Liberal media picks on him and blows things out of proportion!
-He is doing things that we don't know about, we can't understand (I bite my tongue. I want to say I have no problem understanding and ask like making deals and meeting with Putin?)
-He is cleaning out the swamp. He is getting things done! (No one can tell me a thing he has succeeded in doing that is a fact and not fake)
-He speaks his mind. I admire that. More people should. (I sometimes wonder if I expressed how imbecilic and uninformed they are if that would be speaking my mind and admirable)
I live in a blue state but in a town that prides itself on blind obedience to the GOP. It is not pretty.
Sadly I can envision them refusing anything now. I can also see tDump not trying to appoint a VP because he will never be fired.
I would say that is mostly true buuuut- My Dad, ret USMC and also worked for the gubmint has been for GOP even the crazy people including tDump in the beginning. My step Mum is the same. They shocked us all a few weeks ago by breaking the non-negotiable rule to never discuss politics. The 2 of them and my bro- all folk that have had Security clearances were ballisticly pi55ed with the Russian thing, declaring tDump a nutbag and a disgrace and ...and...and. Sort of restored my faith a bit. If my Dad has seen the light there is hope.
The world hated us after Bush went tough guy and forgot how to be diplomatic. At least our allies were fairly accepting of us until then- there has always been a dance of polite disagreement, etc. Bush was like a bull in the china shop. Obama started to mend that by respectful dialogue and then we got the spoiled child in office. If you want to be considered a legitimate world power you need to be engaged in what is happening. You can't just sail in when things have been going on for awhile and make a stink. Then they want to know why you weren't caring earlier.
That part of the world does not respect watchful waiting without a whole lot of dialogue, saber rattling
See above. It is wishful thinking that 'watching' does anything but make us appear weak- which we are. At this point they have no respect and have figured out he is such a twit they can do anything they want with the off chance he will throw a temper tantrum and push the wrong button. Unfortunately that will have nothing to do with if they behaved or not and more if Fox and Friends said something in the early hours.
Huh? The GOP has been in control for awhile but I am confused how you would single out one Senator for the blame. She seems a very pragmatic, old school conservative willing to compromise to move in the direction she thinks things should go. THat is what used to make the Legislative Branch functional. Until the GOP implemented the grand plan and decided they had to WIN!!! blocking anything, no matter how sensible, people were able to compromise and move forward. The need to win at all costs with the total focus only on winning has resulted in a non-functional gov't that I am sure would have appalled the Founding Fathers.
But then who would get them elected?
Nice post. If they did anything we never saw it covered. The only thing that gets covered is they are winnnnning!
Lucky you. Being in Canada for a week made being around his proud supporters on return exquisitely more painful. People up there are completely cognizant of what an idiot he is and the 'translators' aren't trying to tell anyone they aren't hearing what they are hearing. I get people who still think he is awesome!!1!11!!! and then say:
-but Hillary [would have been worse, is corrupt, is in collusion with X, is a horrible person]
-He is inexperienced [he didn't know better, he is new at this, he is learning]
-He is a successful business man so it will be OK. (not really but for some unfathomable reason they aren't capable of eeing or acknowledginge all the business failures he has)
-You just need to wait and see, people aren't giving him a chance. The Liberal media picks on him and blows things out of proportion!
-He is doing things that we don't know about, we can't understand (I bite my tongue. I want to say I have no problem understanding and ask like making deals and meeting with Putin?)
-He is cleaning out the swamp. He is getting things done! (No one can tell me a thing he has succeeded in doing that is a fact and not fake)
-He speaks his mind. I admire that. More people should. (I sometimes wonder if I expressed how imbecilic and uninformed they are if that would be speaking my mind and admirable)
I live in a blue state but in a town that prides itself on blind obedience to the GOP. It is not pretty.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
They don't want to admit it, because they don't like being called racists, sexists, and homophobes. It's just so intolerant and bigoted of the left to call them what they are, and not accept their point of view, don'tcha know.
They don't want to admit it, because they don't like being called racists, sexists, and homophobes. It's just so intolerant and bigoted of the left to call them what they are, and not accept their point of view, don'tcha know.
leswp1
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Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
WHere are these people in my life. ALl the people I know are proud of him and think I am just unenlightened.
WHere are these people in my life. ALl the people I know are proud of him and think I am just unenlightened.
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Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!
The people I speak with who voted for him all still support him as much -- if not more -- than ever. They believe the mainstream media is making up nearly every negative story about trump, and the ones they are not making up they are blowing out of proportion. They also have no issues with ANY of the ridiculous things trump says/tweets and say that his detractors take everything too literally, are too sensitive and are a bunch of weaklings when what America needs is a businessman who knows how to get things done.
It would be one thing if 5%, or 10%, or even 20% of the people out there were this stupid, but you really have to fear for the future when you realize that nearly half the people out there are this stupid. This is why I think Kep is sooooooo wrong about how voting demographics are going against the trump sentiment. If that was correct, a trump never could have gotten enough support to win the nomination let alone get elected. This IS the American electorate. trump has convinced a lot of stupid white people he's the answer and every bit of the available evidence he isn't is not to be believed. You must only believe trump. Who is to say he can't also convince a few more non-whites of this too? With the current brain-trust running the democratic party I'd say that's a more likely outcome than white people coming back to the democrats as long as they parrot their current message. Stupidity knows no race, color or creed.
The people I speak with who voted for him all still support him as much -- if not more -- than ever. They believe the mainstream media is making up nearly every negative story about trump, and the ones they are not making up they are blowing out of proportion. They also have no issues with ANY of the ridiculous things trump says/tweets and say that his detractors take everything too literally, are too sensitive and are a bunch of weaklings when what America needs is a businessman who knows how to get things done.
It would be one thing if 5%, or 10%, or even 20% of the people out there were this stupid, but you really have to fear for the future when you realize that nearly half the people out there are this stupid. This is why I think Kep is sooooooo wrong about how voting demographics are going against the trump sentiment. If that was correct, a trump never could have gotten enough support to win the nomination let alone get elected. This IS the American electorate. trump has convinced a lot of stupid white people he's the answer and every bit of the available evidence he isn't is not to be believed. You must only believe trump. Who is to say he can't also convince a few more non-whites of this too? With the current brain-trust running the democratic party I'd say that's a more likely outcome than white people coming back to the democrats as long as they parrot their current message. Stupidity knows no race, color or creed.
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Gonna get roasted on this, and some folks really do believe that if you didn't vote for (D) you are a racist, sexist, homophobe. Doesn't matter if you dislike Trump and/or didn't vote for him. It sickens me. The assumptions/etc are a big part of the divisiveness and yes, the (R)s are just as guilty of those assumptions, as has been mentioned.
Gonna get roasted on this, and some folks really do believe that if you didn't vote for (D) you are a racist, sexist, homophobe. Doesn't matter if you dislike Trump and/or didn't vote for him. It sickens me. The assumptions/etc are a big part of the divisiveness and yes, the (R)s are just as guilty of those assumptions, as has been mentioned.
Didn't Trump actually do better with a lot of minority groups than Romney? The Republicans have their faults but the democrats are far from perfect. It really is baffling to me why you and others can't accept that.
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I really don't think very many people associate a vote for anyone but Trump with being a bigot. It's the people who continue to stand up for Trump who get that rep, and with some justification.
I really don't think very many people associate a vote for anyone but Trump with being a bigot. It's the people who continue to stand up for Trump who get that rep, and with some justification.
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You'd be surprised. It's an either/or situation in many cases. It sucks. "YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR (D)? TYPICAL WHITE MALE [Insert all prejudices]!
You'd be surprised. It's an either/or situation in many cases. It sucks. "YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR (D)? TYPICAL WHITE MALE [Insert all prejudices]!
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If you think I believe that democrats are perfect you are as full of poop as I suspect you are. I find fault with almost every elected politician in Washington and think the vast majority of both parties are there for all the wrong reasons.
If you think I believe that democrats are perfect you are as full of poop as I suspect you are. I find fault with almost every elected politician in Washington and think the vast majority of both parties are there for all the wrong reasons.
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Before 2016 I did not automatically think that people who didn't vote for a democratic candidate were sexist or racist. But in 2016 when the standard bearer of your party spews racist and sexist comments for the entire year and a half he's running for president its a lot harder to NOT think you had to agree with the things he said IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM.
I have said before that there is no way in hell I would ever vote for someone who made even one of the disgusting remarks trump made about the disabled, women, Muslims or any of the other demographic groups he went out of his way to insult. To me it was a signal to racists or bigots of whatever stripe they were that he is one of THEM and it is safe to vote for him.
Before 2016 I did not automatically think that people who didn't vote for a democratic candidate were sexist or racist. But in 2016 when the standard bearer of your party spews racist and sexist comments for the entire year and a half he's running for president its a lot harder to NOT think you had to agree with the things he said IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM.
I have said before that there is no way in hell I would ever vote for someone who made even one of the disgusting remarks trump made about the disabled, women, Muslims or any of the other demographic groups he went out of his way to insult. To me it was a signal to racists or bigots of whatever stripe they were that he is one of THEM and it is safe to vote for him.
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leswp1
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*Psychiatry Group Says Members Can Comment on Trump’s Mental Health!!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ent=link-post&utm_term=mind_partner_text_free (yeah, I know I should learn how to post the fancy links like you guys. I am too lazy)
? They both have faults. I haven't seen anyone in here say the Dems were perfect. Quite the contrary. People are spending a lot of time lambasting the lack of direction, leadership, etc.Can't speak for anyone else but to me this isn't about the Dems being perfect or the Repubs either. The issue is we have a narcissitic sociopath* running the our country and a load of GOP people who are defending him, excusing him and encouraging the self destructive path we are on. I could give a rats a55 about either side being perfect.
*Psychiatry Group Says Members Can Comment on Trump’s Mental Health!!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ent=link-post&utm_term=mind_partner_text_free (yeah, I know I should learn how to post the fancy links like you guys. I am too lazy)
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Good post here. Really good post.
Followup: IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM is the key. I didn't. But I didn't vote against him, and some folks are making me (and similar folk) villains.
Good post here. Really good post.
Followup: IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM is the key. I didn't. But I didn't vote against him, and some folks are making me (and similar folk) villains.
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I won't put you in any bin for not voting for Hillary. I think it was misguided maybe, but to me if someone was a bigot they had the perfect candidate in trump. Those who voted 3rd party were not voting for bigots and those who chose to abstain were not likely members of the KKK or Hitler Youth either. My big issue is with people who tended to vote for Democrats but disliked Hillary. I am one of them, but I voted for her knowing that she was qualified to be a president. That I held no high hopes is meaningless because I believe most presidents in our history have been mediocre at best. She would have been functional and a caretaker. People like me in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania should have all been voting for Clinton and had that happened, she'd have won.
I won't put you in any bin for not voting for Hillary. I think it was misguided maybe, but to me if someone was a bigot they had the perfect candidate in trump. Those who voted 3rd party were not voting for bigots and those who chose to abstain were not likely members of the KKK or Hitler Youth either. My big issue is with people who tended to vote for Democrats but disliked Hillary. I am one of them, but I voted for her knowing that she was qualified to be a president. That I held no high hopes is meaningless because I believe most presidents in our history have been mediocre at best. She would have been functional and a caretaker. People like me in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania should have all been voting for Clinton and had that happened, she'd have won.
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