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POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

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According to chuck Todd and others, Donald is now threatening the republican senators who aren't a yes on the health vote

This is shaking things up right? Run it like a business!
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
According to chuck Todd and others, Donald is now threatening the republican senators who aren't a yes on the health vote

This is shaking things up right? Run it like a business!
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see my comment on the PPACA thread. tD wouldn't be the first to practice retaliation in party politics.
 
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geezer said:
Cal-exit will probably be on the ballot next year.
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Hmm.... Cal-exit would give R's a 227-155 House, effectively one more Senate seat, and Trump would have won the EC 304- 172 plus the popular vote by a half-million or so.

Will republicans be launching a Cal-exit campaign soon?
 
joecct said:
see my comment on the PPACA thread. tD wouldn't be the first to practice retaliation in party politics.
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He probably has less force behind it than anyone else, though. If FDR threatened you, it meant something. A Trump threat is empty.

More to the point, he shows no loyalty to people who give him favors, so no one will go out of their way to help him on a tough vote.
 
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Drew S. said:
What do you suggest Republicans do? I don't see a great solution with the current situation. I think it would be easier to remove Trump if there was something concrete he did to break the law/rig the election. As much smoke as there has been, hasn't been any fire. Another question is what does a post-Trump world look like with Pence in charge?
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How quickly do you think investigations such as this are supposed to happen, anyway?

They investigated Whitewater for years with nothing to show, and then finally nailed Clinton down on something they discovered during his second term. How many years and how many investigations did your cherished Benghazi scandal involve, and what did they come up with? Still doesn't make you think Hilly's innocent though, does it?

And yet, here you are, "nothing to see here folks". After six months in office.
 
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Drew S. said:
What do you suggest Republicans do? I don't see a great solution with the current situation. I think it would be easier to remove Trump if there was something concrete he did to break the law/rig the election. As much smoke as there has been, hasn't been any fire. Another question is what does a post-Trump world look like with Pence in charge?
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Do you really have to ask that question???

Seriously?

Here's the CORE investigation- Russians trying to do *something* in the election. That's the heart of the issue. And that question should have EVERYONE worried and we should all be trying to fix any potential influences from any other country, let alone russia.

From hacking into the systems to providing information (which is NOT legal) to anyone, anywhere, at any time. This needs to be taken care of to preserve our form of government.

So R's should make sure that happens.

The fact that dump's guys got tied up into that investigation is their own fault. And any "witch hunt" that comes from that is because they made contacts- either intentionally or not- with a country under investigation for trying to meddle with our election.

Lets say that none of dump's people get prosecuted- that does NOT meat what so ever that the russia probe should be dropped. Not at all.

If you think it should, and other R's think it should, that honestly makes me worried about the future of our country. As we would be heading to a system that does not rely on a popular vote to decide who runs this country- since we would know that it's being interfered with. And that goes totally against our Constitution.

Don't hide behind the idea that this intrusion may have gotten you a majority in all branches, because the same intrusion can to the 100% opposite, too. This is a big deal, and it's stunning to see people just blow it off like you do.
 
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Drew will become immediately concerned as soon as an R loses- that's when it matters
 
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Reporters think the Russia story is big because everyone in the Trump administration lies about it all the time. I think that's justified. The question is in the end will the media have been played by Trump and his cronies or will Trump be indicted.

I don't see it going any other way.
 
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Yeah...if the Trumps just said "yeah we met with the guy. We had business connections with him in the past and he said he had info relevant to the election." the story dies weeks ago. Sure they will get scolded a bit and some flunkies will get fired but the story ends and nothing comes of it. Instead they DENY DENY DENY and DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT even in the face of pretty blatant evidence that the people asking have proof. They assume the journalists are bluffing and have nothing. Then 12 hours later when their denial is on record and the evidence comes out to show otherwise they change their story again which extends the whole thing out.

Drew and his ilk believe it is the DERN LIBRUL MEDIA that are making this a story but it isnt...it is the Trumps. They are the loser at the table who tries bluffing into made hands but has zero position and is easy to read. Just because you act strong doesnt make you strong and no one is folding their full house just cause you bet a large amount.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Hmm.... Cal-exit would give R's a 227-155 House, effectively one more Senate seat, and Trump would have won the EC 304- 172 plus the popular vote by a half-million or so.

Will republicans be launching a Cal-exit campaign soon?
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It's an interesting idea. The ballot initiative that is out for signatures is for something like "explore the feasibility and ramifications of testing the possibility of studying the idea of secession" so it would only be the barest of starts if it passes. But it does have emotional support from both California "who needs to be attached to the inbred, flyover state, bitter clingers" and the red states "who needs Hollywood tree huggers and Muslim lovers" so the opposition to it would have to come from honest and sensible people who understand and value "strength in unity." Do we have any of those left?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Reporters think the Russia story is big because everyone in the Trump administration lies about it all the time. I think that's justified. The question is in the end will the media have been played by Trump and his cronies or will Trump be indicted.

I don't see it going any other way.
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The thing is, it's not like Trumpy wants this investigation to end because there's nothing there, or have it done throroughly so he and his people are vindicated. He doesn't want any investigation, period, and is actively taking measures to ensure that. The whole "disparage Sessions" thing is because Trumpy's mad that Sessions recused himself and let an investigation happen, instead of blocking it from the get-go. He fired Comey to "make the Russian thing go away". He said so in his own words.

If there's nothing there, why so many contacts between Trump campaign people and Russians? Why so many meetings either lied about, not revealed on disclosure forms, or "forgotten" about? Perhaps it's all an innocent mistake. Perhaps Trumpy's people took those meetings with purity of intent. Don't you think we need to know this?

The other thing is, Trumpy's people have demonstrated an acute naivete or even outright incompetence in their actions they've undertaken. It's not outside the realm of Russian intelligence apparatus to take advantage of that incompetence and naivete for their own gain. Don't you think we need to know if this is happening?
 
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rufus said:
The thing is, it's not like Trumpy wants this investigation to end because there's nothing there, or have it done throroughly so he and his people are vindicated. He doesn't want any investigation, period, and is actively taking measures to ensure that. The whole "disparage Sessions" thing is because Trumpy's mad that Sessions recused himself and let an investigation happen, instead of blocking it from the get-go. He fired Comey to "make the Russian thing go away". He said so in his own words.

If there's nothing there, why so many contacts between Trump campaign people and Russians? Why so many meetings either lied about, not revealed on disclosure forms, or "forgotten" about? Perhaps it's all an innocent mistake. Perhaps Trumpy's people took those meetings with purity of intent. Don't you think we need to know this?

The other thing is, Trumpy's people have demonstrated an acute naivete or even outright incompetence in their actions they've undertaken. It's not outside the realm of Russian intelligence apparatus to take advantage of that incompetence and naivete for their own gain. Don't you think we need to know if this is happening?
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If dumps people made a naive mistake, it would be like falling off a log to show that, and get on with the rest of the investigation. Far, far, far easier than denying it when there are plenty of sources that say otherwise, and then trying to find excuses.

And that would make little newt's statements yesterday more useless.

No- the deeper this gets, the louder the blocks become.

All in all, this is going to be a mess, and the end result will be more sanctions against russia. which will trigger the obvious repercussions against dump and his people. Some may go to jail, some may just go away- but the longer this goes on, the more likely dump ends up with nothing. Just look at the cubic dollars they are already spending on lawyers. Using a similar tone as we've heard- if they have done nothing wrong, there's no need to spend that kind of money when you just need a basic lawyer. :)

It's funny how people don't think anything has happened, as it's pretty much weekly that we find out something new that makes the russia hole deeper.
 
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The guy in The Atlantic absolutely nailed the reason conservatives like me can't support Trump. The headline and summary is "Donald Trump eats first." The last paragraph:
"White House staffers cannot change their culture, so long as the president continues to shirk his duties to the country, pick internecine fights, say stupid things about his team on Twitter, and act like a character in the 2004 movie Mean Girls. The president is the general. And it doesn’t take a military expert to see why he keeps failing as a leader. He cares less about governing than satiating grotesque appetites for attention, adoration, and domination. Many who voted him into office were starving for hope. But no matter what, Donald Trump eats first."
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
They're eating their own now:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some in White House are trying to build a case that Priebus is a leaker — “a diagram” charting leaks, per senior official — to show Trump.</p>— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) <a href="https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/890416549957447681">July 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Also, there was this gem from "The Mooch!" tonight (which he has since deleted, and "clarified")
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"The trouble with Republicans is when they get in trouble they start acting like cannibals." -- Richard Nixon (the real one)
 
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Handyman said:
They are the loser at the table who tries bluffing into made hands but has zero position and is easy to read. Just because you act strong doesnt make you strong and no one is folding their full house just cause you bet a large amount.
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That is the perfect analogy that I have been looking for. That is the Trumps -- it's not that they bluff, it's that they bluff even when they so nakedly have NOTHING to back it up.

The only reason they aren't losing yet is all the other players at the table are tacitly allowing them to bluff, because they think they're going to all split the pot (in this game everybody in the world was forced to ante up). They're even cooing at Trump and telling him what a sharp player he is.

But they're going to realize that Trump is The Sting with his family as the entire con team and the rest of the Republicans on his staff and in government as the rubes. And here's the thing. When it comes to science or the arts or economics those Republicans aren't very smart, but when it comes to their own wallets they're very, very savvy. When the GOP decides it's time for Trump to go that's going to be a very short conversation.
 
Kepler said:
"The trouble with Republicans is when they get in trouble they start acting like cannibals." -- Richard Nixon (the real one)
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"The trouble with Republican country is that it is full of Republicans."--Edward Longshanks (updated).
 
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