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POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

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Drew S. said:
Maybe a little too strong. The point stands though that the coverage of Trump by a lot of members of the media hasn't been that great. The NYT and others should themselves to a much higher standard than Fox News or Alex Jones.
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So what they should lie and make him better. It isnt their fault he says and does stupid stuff.

If the NYT covers A and B equally and A makes a habit of embarrassing themselves all the time the NYT is under no obligation to make them look better than they are or make B look worse. Let me guess you think if a ref makes a bad call they should make a similar bad call the other way to "even things out".
 
Drew S. said:
I respect their right to cover him, but not lies and slander. The media has been a complete embarrassment to our country over the last year or so. They used to at least try to maintain the appearance of impartiality.

As for republicans removing him, that is a VERY dangerous game. How do you even talk about it without him catching wind of what is going on? There are still 100 million people or so here who strongly support him.
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There's no chance that he has 100M strong supporters. He only got 62M votes, so your assertion that 38M people have become sting supporters in the last 9 months requires some evidence. 33% approval rating is not the same thing as having *strong* support from 1/3 of the people.
 
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bronconick said:
Trump reaches no-win scenario, legislature temporarily finds balls against the 50+ year old, Imperial Presidency
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I mean, if he doesn't sign it, that is the clearest sign of all something is going on. By signing it, he gets to claim he's actually done something, which he is in desperate need of, and he gets to make himself look tough on Russia, which his people would jump all over as a sign nothing iffy happened. The only reason not to is he's more afraid of ****ing Putin and the Kremlin off than he is of his own countrypeople and Congress, which would make you wonder.
 
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"Handcuffing", eh? I thought only cucks enjoyed that. ;)

The bad news, is that it sounds like they are trying to throw Orange Droolius a bone by starting to tear up the, "oarrible", "terrahble", "very one-zidid" Iran deal, as His Great Negotiatorness harped so much about on the campaign trail.

At this point, I would consider Russia more important, so quid pro quo, I suppose.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
"Handcuffing", eh? I thought only cucks enjoyed that. ;)

The bad news, is that it sounds like they are trying to throw Orange Droolius a bone by starting to tear up the, "oarrible", "terrahble", "very one-zidid" Iran deal, as His Great Negotiatorness harped so much about on the campaign trail.

At this point, I would consider Russia more important, so quid pro quo, I suppose.
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Supposedly it took over an hour to make him agree that Iran had met their requisites last week and wanted them to find a way to tear it up.
 
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OK Joe, so you and the rest of our grandparents and uncles (and plenty of grandmas and aunts, and obnoxious cousins, too) wanted to shake up the establishment. I've heard all about that over the last year - I get it.

Was this really your idea of shaking it up, though? Ceding international leadership and authority to "Jhina"? Making us a laughingstock on the world stage? Appointing a kitchen cabinet that makes Warren G. Harding's administration look competent and saintly? Can't you see it's been, "a total disast-uh"?

Or is it all worth it since conservatives got to cling onto the SCOTUS for another 40 years. "D@mn the torpedoes! Four nominations! President Trump, go ahead! McConnell, full speed!" Is that it? I really think that's the heart of the matter for a lot of his voters.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
OK Joe, so you and the rest of our grandparents and uncles (and plenty of grandmas and aunts, and obnoxious cousins, too) wanted to shake up the establishment. I've heard all about that over the last year - I get it.

Was this really your idea of shaking it up, though? Ceding international leadership and authority to "Jhina"? Making us a laughingstock on the world stage? Appointing a kitchen cabinet that makes Warren G. Harding's administration look competent and saintly? Can't you see it's been, "a total disast-uh"?

Or is it all worth it since conservatives got to cling onto the SCOTUS for another 40 years. "D@mn the torpedoes! Four nominations! President Trump, go ahead! McConnell, full speed!" Is that it? I really think that's the heart of the matter for a lot of his voters.
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It was about giving "those smarty pantses" the finger.

Yeah. They sure showed us. :rolleyes:
 
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Trump has done nothing to change "the game" and joe is completely lying to himself to justify supporting this *******.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Trump has done nothing to change "the game" and joe is completely lying to himself to justify supporting this *******.
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All that's true but you miss an important point. Mr. Trump claims to have done stuff, he claims to change the game, he claims to make progress in draining the swamp. Actually doing anything makes no difference, he'll get credit no matter what, and he'll blame any problems, no matter what the cause, on the opposition, even problems like him not appointing anyone to jobs.
 
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manurespreader said:
All that's true but you miss an important point. Mr. Trump claims to have done stuff, he claims to change the game, he claims to make progress in draining the swamp. Actually doing anything makes no difference, he'll get credit no matter what, and he'll blame any problems, no matter what the cause, on the opposition, even problems like him not appointing anyone to jobs.
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Actually, it seems to me that he's not drained the swap, he brought in new swimmers. dump's points about corruption and whatnot are spot on, but I never really thought it was *that* bad. But when he got into office, and clearly was putting HIS money and his cronies monies in front of the country- he did the exact opposite of what he said he would do. (and exactly what many suspected he would do).

The "change" is taking the bad parts of DC up a big notch.

We now have an executive branch that struggles with ethics concerns over money- more than any other president in recent memory.

And we have a legislative branch that is controlled by one party, and is so poor at what they do, they are totally locked up. A simple thing they have run on for 6 years, and they can't do a single thing about it??? Come on.

I can't understand anyone who thinks this is draining the swamp. Or is a change for the better. Or how this remotely makes us great again.

That is ignoring our stance on a global front, and ignores the russian thread crap. Both of which makes us look bad.
 
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walrus said:
Including the so called smart ones, see hilary

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Walrus - are you honestly happy with where we have come since January? Or just providing a counter argument?

If you are happy- what about? Specifically.
 
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Drew S. said:
Maybe a little too strong. The point stands though that the coverage of Trump by a lot of members of the media hasn't been that great. The NYT and others should themselves to a much higher standard than Fox News or Alex Jones.
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Are you offended by the idea that they would post news that makes dump look bad?

dump is doing the news, for the most part, they are just reporting it. You don't have to do anything to make it look bad.

The only ones who seem to be reporting on dump positively are Fox and alex. When the gross majority of the remaining press all report the same things- does it really make sense that fox is the only one telling the truth??? The odds seem very much against that.

I'll ask you the same thing- are you happy with what has happened since January? If so, what, specifically, are you happy about?
 
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Not happy at all, Trump is a complete dope. Hilary would have maintained the status quo. People bought into trumps bull, some still believe it. Jobs, drain the swamp etc.
I live in what used to be a paper making state. Some of the finest coated paper in the world was made 5 miles from my house. That place is gone, it was looted by wall street money men plus time has passed it by. No one wants to think time has passed them by but it has happened to thousands of factory jobs all over. Middle class, health ins, retirement, all gone. Little chance in rural areas to get by now. Most on here laugh at coal miners but if you were 50 years old with a family to feed and they took your job, you wouldn't vote for status quo , you'd vote for the guy saying he going to bring back those jobs. That's all they know, life has passed them by. It happens to all of us sooner or later.

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No I would look to do something different. Hell I did that when I couldnt find a job in the field I was trained for. I didnt start believing in unicorns and ignore all evidence that people were lying to me.
 
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walrus said:
Most on here laugh at coal miners but if you were 50 years old with a family to feed and they took your job, you wouldn't vote for status quo , you'd vote for the guy saying he going to bring back those jobs. That's all they know, life has passed them by. It happens to all of us sooner or later.

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What a cop-out. That these people BELIEVED trump could "bring back those jobs" is as much their fault as it is trump's for exploiting them. All the available evidence was there to show that coal jobs, and steel jobs, and all sorts of factory jobs WON'T be coming back. For f ck's sake, those jobs have been disappearing for 50 years now. Jeezuz, MORE than 50 years. The Detroit riot of 1967 started 50 years ago today but the joblessness plaguing Detroit started a decade before that as the automakers really began to embrace the first waves of automation. How stupid ARE the coal miners to believe trump? I grew up in a working class family, one of 7 children of one parent who barely made it through high school and another who never even started the 11th grade. Yet somehow I learned what I needed throughout my life to see how republicans have been doing nothing but scapegoating "others" so poor white people would vote for them. By and large the evidence is there for all to see, and far too many choose to either ignore it or they willfully misinterpret it. Coal miners voting for trump are like second-hand smoke. Sure it's your choice to smoke but that choice needs to end before it reaches my lungs. It is a coal miner's choice to vote for trump but their choice is hurting us all. And in the end they don't even get to go back down in the mines. At least the smoker gets to enjoy their cigarette.
 
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