What's new
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

Hasn't Trump already killed more civilians with drone strikes or is easily outpacing Obama in that regard?

You say that like killing brown civilians is a bad thing. But yes I think he's at about 4x the pace, I posted a link in the GWOT thread a day or two ago.
 
Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

You say that like killing brown civilians is a bad thing. But yes I think he's at about 4x the pace, I posted a link in the GWOT thread a day or two ago.

When you compare a guy getting to work right away vs. a guy who didn't want war but had to be coerced by the system to want it, of course you're going to show that sort of a pace. The cease fire is something the Nobel Peace Prize winner couldn't even do, though. I'd say it will even out as time goes by.
 
Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

We(Obama) didn't learn from Iraq and Afghanistan. We can't be completely isolationist but we also shouldn't get involved (or at least any more than we have to) with situations like Libya and Syria.

Huh? Iraq and Afghanistan are Obama's fault??

Are you totally delusional? That was totally Bush's fault, and left Obama to deal with it. Now you just want to run away.

And you want to walk away from countries who have leaders that do bad things to their people? Better yet, let Russia take over again? That seems pretty stupid to me.

Granted, Obama and Secretary Clinton didn't have a great plan on how to deal with Syria and Libya. But turning our backs on them is just as bad of an idea. Worse to just let Putin do his stuff.
 
Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

Huh? Iraq and Afghanistan are Obama's fault??

Are you totally delusional? That was totally Bush's fault, and left Obama to deal with it. Now you just want to run away.

And you want to walk away from countries who have leaders that do bad things to their people? Better yet, let Russia take over again? That seems pretty stupid to me.

Granted, Obama and Secretary Clinton didn't have a great plan on how to deal with Syria and Libya. But turning our backs on them is just as bad of an idea. Worse to just let Putin do his stuff.


2012-2016

Russia invades and makes Crimea and Sevastopol the two newest parts of the Russian Federation.

Russia helps client state Iran to get sanctions lifted, freeing them to again sell billions in oil, in addition to the return of around $100 billion in frozen assets around the world. (Including infamous plane loads of cash from the US)

Russia ships troops into decayed Naval base in Syria. Previously attended by only a couple of Russians, the base soon supports as many as a dozen Russian warships in the Med. Work began to expand the base to accommodate more ships including nuclear. This will be the only real Naval base in the Med not under US control since WWII.

Russia begins building Khmeimim Airbase in Syria, opening it in 2015. Work to expand continues.

Russia deploys its advanced SA-23 Gladiator missile defense system to Syria the day after Sec. State John Kerry breaks off bi-lateral Syria talks.

Russia closes on 49 year lease with the Syrian Government for it's Air and Naval bases.

In less than 4 years Russia immeasurably strengthens Iran, takes Crimea, and becomes a major player in Air and Sea power in the Eastern Med and the Middle East, all without credible US opposition.

I'd have to question who all is included in "letting Putin do his stuff"?
 
Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

In less than 4 years Russia immeasurably strengthens Iran, takes Crimea, and becomes a major player in Air and Sea power in the Eastern Med and the Middle East, all without credible US opposition.

If there was no credible US opposition, then wouldn't Putin want to continue the status quo? The sanctions the US put on Russia certainly weren't crippling, but they have made a mark, to the point that Putin had to interject himself into the US election to try to stop them. Lucky for him there are enough dummies like you to do his bidding.
 
Re: POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

Donald Trump: America's Zaphod Beeblebrox

" ... learning to distinguish between him
pretending to be stupid just to get people off their guard,
pretending to be stupid because he couldn't be bothered to think and wanted someone else to do it for him,
pretending to be outrageously stupid to hide the fact that he actually didn't understand what was going on, and
really being genuinely stupid."

Quite honestly, Port (who I'm not really a fan of) writes one of the best assessments of Trump I've seen. It's a quick read.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top