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POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

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Republicans blocked President Obama from telling the public about Russian actions to help Trump


Donald Trump asks the question frequently, and always with a sneer: If President Barack Obama knew that Vladimir Putin had intervened in the United States’ election with the direct intention of helping Trump, why did Obama wait so long to say anything? The answer detailed in a new story from the Washington Post turns out to be simple: First, Obama was trying to do the right things. Second, Republicans stopped that from happening.

As former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified earlier this week, the Russian activity in the election went beyond just hacking into emails, beyond distributing those emails through Wikileaks, and beyond creating a stream of fake-news stories that were eagerly shared by alt-right websites and social media. Russia took unprecedented “active measures,” attempting to penetrate state databases and alter or delete voter roles.

It was tantamount a secret declaration of war by Russia, and the Obama administration treated it the security and care that it deserved.
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Early last August, an envelope with extraordinary handling restrictions arrived at the White House. Sent by courier from the CIA, it carried “eyes only” instructions that its contents be shown to just four people: President Barack Obama and three senior aides. …

The material was so sensitive that CIA Director John Brennan kept it out of the President’s Daily Brief, concerned that even that restricted report’s distribution was too broad. The CIA package came with instructions that it be returned immediately after it was read. To guard against leaks, subsequent meetings in the Situation Room followed the same protocols as planning sessions for the Osama bin Laden raid.

The intelligence captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and help elect her opponent, Donald Trump.

It took time for other parts of the intelligence community to endorse the CIA’s view. Only in the administration’s final weeks in office did it tell the public, in a declassified report, what officials had learned from Brennan in August — that Putin was working to elect Trump.

Obama instructed aides to ... seek bipartisan support from congressional leaders for a statement condemning Moscow and urging states to accept federal help.

Brian Kemp, the Republican secretary of state of Georgia, used the call to denounce Johnson’s proposal as an assault on state rights. “I think it was a politically calculated move by the previous administration,” Kemp said in a recent interview, adding that he remains unconvinced that Russia waged a campaign to disrupt the 2016 race. “I don’t necessarily believe that,” he said.

“The Dems were, ‘Hey, we have to tell the public,’ ” recalled one participant. But Republicans resisted, arguing that to warn the public that the election was under attack would further Russia’s aim of sapping confidence in the system.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) went further, officials said, voicing skepticism that the underlying intelligence truly supported the White House’s claims. Through a spokeswoman, McConnell declined to comment, citing the secrecy of that meeting.
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Fake news.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Kepler said:
I do not think Sic is a troll at all. I think he's definitely a Republican given the tenor of his comments here going back years, but plenty of Rs and Ds think of themselves as Independent only waiting for the right candidate to come along.
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I agree. I'm sure he and I disagree on most things political, but he's saying what he thinks, and he does have a good fund of knowledge to draw from.

NoDaks usually have such superior analytical skills; I don't know what happened there. :)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
"You've been robbed!" Really?
Will that register with someone who reads that in their social media feed on their unlimited data plan on their iPhone 7 Plus? Dare I say, ... nope.

That message resonates with folks that believe they are sending too much to DC on April 15.
Just ask Trump.
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No, but this message will:

"You wanna know why your roads are in such poor shape? Why your water is full of lead? Why you no longer have health insurance? Cause the money that was going to be used to pay for those things was instead given back to millionaires in the form of tax cuts."
 
rufus said:
No, but this message will:

"You wanna know why your roads are in such poor shape? Why your water is full of lead? Why you no longer have health insurance? Cause the money that was going to be used to pay for those things was instead given back to millionaires in the form of tax cuts."
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You spelled billionaire wrong.
 
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Kepler said:
I do not think Sic is a troll at all. I think he's definitely a Republican given the tenor of his comments here going back years, but plenty of Rs and Ds think of themselves as Independent only waiting for the right candidate to come along. I kidded myself like that for a decade, too. I really believed it.

But there are no Independents. Especially now, when one party is in the center and the other is out beyond the Kuiper Belt on the deranged right.
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You realize that every time you defend someone as not a troll everyone else disagrees with you right? You have this weird naivete where you think people will make smart choices and people who randomly post trash then disappear as soon as they get questioned about it arent trolls. Dont be like the nimrods on your favorite show...step back and read the crap you say isnt trolling.
 
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Kepler said:
Hmm. The Post? I think I'll wait a bit.
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Good plan as a simple google search found no other article claiming anything. Plenty though seem to think he is cooperating with the FBI...
 
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Handyman said:
Good plan as a simple google search found no other article claiming anything. Plenty though seem to think he is cooperating with the FBI...
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Well, it's a 6 month old article about a 6 month old WaPo article. How long are we gonna wait! ;)
 
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Handyman said:
You realize that every time you defend someone as not a troll everyone else disagrees with you right? You have this weird naivete where you think people will make smart choices and people who randomly post trash then disappear as soon as they get questioned about it arent trolls. Dont be like the nimrods on your favorite show...step back and read the crap you say isnt trolling.
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I think I do read and understand the posts. I have a high bar for "troll": it has to be deliberately stink bombing the thread for personal amusement. By that standard, in my opinion, Sic is not a troll at all. IMO he is serious and sincere in what he posts. He may be snarky and peevish but if that was the standard very few of us would not qualify.

Dissenting, minority opinion is important to me here. Not the people who just copy paste from PJ Media -- screw them -- but the people who are doing what they can with what they've got.

tl; dr: I'm not being naive. I'm probably being holier than thou but, hey, Catholic Mom. :)
 
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Daniel Williams in NYT has very easy and useful advice for atheist democrats who have been raging against "American Taliban" and somehow still losing elections.
 
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Kepler said:
tl; dr: I'm not being naive. I'm probably being holier than thou but, hey, Catholic Mom. :)
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Fair enough ;)

Did you watch Maher? I think he is right the Left is going to continue to lose if they flinch everytime someone challenges them on any of their beliefs. I have been saying it forever stand up for what you think is right. The average person doesnt know what is going on but they can tell when someone is nervous or looking for the right answer. Democrats, for all their love of certain issues, are so afraid of offending someone hat they wishy wash their way out of winning any election. You want to win, stand behind your beliefs and your party.
 
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Handyman said:
Fair enough ;)

Did you watch Maher? I think he is right the Left is going to continue to lose if they flinch everytime someone challenges them on any of their beliefs. I have been saying it forever stand up for what you think is right. The average person doesnt know what is going on but they can tell when someone is nervous or looking for the right answer. Democrats, for all their love of certain issues, are so afraid of offending someone hat they wishy wash their way out of winning any election. You want to win, stand behind your beliefs and your party.
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See: The Republicans and this election. They may hate Trump, but they are standing behind their party.
 
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Wait, wait, so Trump just went from "Russia didn't do a **** thing, it's a witch hunt," to "It's all Obama's fault for not stopping Russia?"


Car crash victims have less violent whiplash!
 
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The current president has managed a seismic shift. Someone in my family, Independent with consistently Conservative Right leanings just donated to the ACLU because he figures someone needs to defend the constitution from 45.


:eek: If I only I could find a way to see if hell froze over
 
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