POTUS 45.10 - Stage Two in Perpetuity

[The Rube]

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I had no problem with Michelle not wearing a hijab and I have no issue with Melania or Ivanka not wearing one. I am all for honoring the traditions of a country but only to a point.

Ditto. And if one First Lady is not set to wear a hijab, then others follow suit. One can CHANGE that, if they so wish, but not required. It's all about context and previous experiences.

 

[Handyman]

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Because despite all their internal strife within the royal family, and rumors of social discontent being squashed, they're one of the few stable countries at a macro level. And even if they don't supply us with much, or any crude these days, they can still impact the crude oil markets.

That is not an excuse to sell them weapons. It is the same stupid mistake we always make in that region...we suck up to the people who hate our enemy ignoring the fact that they too hate us. It isnt like Saudi Arabia doesnt harbor terrorists or fund them or anything (not to mention you know...they hate America, Women, Jews, Gays...etc)

 

[Handyman]

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I'm torn on this. I'm sure this is my white male privilege talking, but I think I'd also have rescinded the prof's membership. There's political disagreement, and then there's just being a *******. IMO, she crossed the line of public courtesy, even if the guy is a white supremacist idiot. No one expects to get into political disputes at the gym, and it's not something you want to foster as a private business owner. I'm sure the owners weighed the pros and cons, and told her if it happens again, she's out.

If she is a long time customer I cut her a bit of slack but she is on a short leash.

 

[The Rube]

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That is not an excuse to sell them weapons. It is the same stupid mistake we always make in that region...we suck up to the people who hate our enemy ignoring the fact that they too hate us. It isnt like Saudi Arabia doesnt harbor terrorists or fund them or anything (not to mention you know...they hate America, Women, Jews, Gays...etc)

Kinda long, but very relevant, and great movie:

Lord Of War:

Soon there's going to be a knock on that door and you will be called outside. In the hall there will be a man who out-ranks you. First he'll compliment you on the fine job you've done - on you making the world a safer place. That you're to receive a commendation or a promotion. And then he's going to tell you that I am to be released. You're going to protest. You'll probably threaten to resign. But in the end, I *will* be released. The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of those men
[pointing at newspaper articles]
Yuri Orlov: are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss, the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year, sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So, *you* call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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That is not an excuse to sell them weapons. It is the same stupid mistake we always make in that region...we suck up to the people who hate our enemy ignoring the fact that they too hate us. It isnt like Saudi Arabia doesnt harbor terrorists or fund them or anything (not to mention you know...they hate America, Women, Jews, Gays...etc)

What do you think would happen if we refused to sell the Saudis arms unless they radically reform their system of government to be acceptable to us?

 

[Scarlet]

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Ditto. And if one First Lady is not set to wear a hijab, then others follow suit. One can CHANGE that, if they so wish, but not required. It's all about context and previous experiences.

The issue isn't weather Melania and Ivanka wore or didn't wear one. It's that Trump made a specific point to call out Michelle Obama on Twitter for not wearing one when she was not the first First Lady to do that. Hypocrite much?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Yeah, but everyone's a hypocrite

 

[The Rube]

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The issue isn't weather Melania and Ivanka wore or didn't wear one. It's that Trump made a specific point to call out Michelle Obama on Twitter for not wearing one when she was not the first First Lady to do that. Hypocrite much?

I am aware. Now, the popular response to his tweet was "who cares?" So he's probably thinking, ok, so no one will care if Melania and Ivanka don't wear one.

 

[jerphisch]

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I am aware. Now, the popular response to his tweet was "who cares?" So he's probably thinking, ok, so no one will care if Melania and Ivanka don't wear one.

You know who cared, his entire base. I don't know how you can twist yourself into a pretzel for this man under the guise of, "I'm not defending him." You are.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Trump is literally ruining Last Week Tonight and SNL. There is so much crap around his administration they can't ignore it.

 

[Handyman]

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Kinda long, but very relevant, and great movie:

Lord Of War:

Soon there's going to be a knock on that door and you will be called outside. In the hall there will be a man who out-ranks you. First he'll compliment you on the fine job you've done - on you making the world a safer place. That you're to receive a commendation or a promotion. And then he's going to tell you that I am to be released. You're going to protest. You'll probably threaten to resign. But in the end, I *will* be released. The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of those men
[pointing at newspaper articles]
Yuri Orlov: are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss, the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year, sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So, *you* call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil.

I hated that movie...

 

[Handyman]

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What do you think would happen if we refused to sell the Saudis arms unless they radically reform their system of government to be acceptable to us?

No...they are never going to reform their system it is why I want us to stop sucking up to them. They are not our ally we are their customer...

And selling them arms is just the biggest piece of crap their is. This crap didnt work when we did it with Saddam to fight Iran and it wont work here. They are just as likely to give those weapons to terrorists or use them against Israel as there is they will use them to fight ISIS. (and how many craptastic regimes must we have help us fight an army of like 100k?)

And there is a zero percent chance any GOPer would be liking this if Obama or Hillary did it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think I said this a few days ago. Glad it's backed in in an editorial in the NY Times.

It isn’t possible Pence knew nothing. I believe Pence is a liar like his boss.

We knew that Pence was a liar when during the vice-presidential debate he repeatedly claimed that Trump had not in fact said things that he was recorded on television saying.
The only difference between the two is delivery. Trump is bombastic and abrasive with his lies. Pence cleverly delivers his with earnestness and solemnity. But a lie is a lie.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/...ald-trump.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Stay classy while in stage two. https://www.infowars.com/republicans-facing-violence-death-threats-from-left-wing-activists/

 

[Kepler]

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...

I like that you can view our present situation and conclude that the threat to democracy and the rule of law comes from the left.

Shows real gumption.

(Note to the sane, I will replace his quotes with ellipses to not thwart Ignore.)

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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And there is a zero percent chance any GOPer would be liking this if Obama or Hillary did it.

If Obama gave the speech Trump did, the usual suspects would scream about him making a distinction between terrorists and Islam, and how it was proof he's a secret Muslim who practices the doctrine of taqiyya to advance the Islamic agenda/invasion/etc.

I like that you can view our present situation and conclude that the threat to democracy and the rule of law comes from the left.

If you listened to Alex Jones for half the day, and Mark Dice the other half, you'd start to think that way, too.

Twitter gave us this gem over the weekend. ZOMG, I knew it - he's a secret globalist! We've been had!

 

[Handyman]

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Trump is literally ruining Last Week Tonight and SNL. There is so much crap around his administration they can't ignore it.

He is ruining it but he is also making it more relevant than it has any right to be.

 

[Handyman]

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I think I said this a few days ago. Glad it's backed in in an editorial in the NY Times.

It isn’t possible Pence knew nothing. I believe Pence is a liar like his boss.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/...ald-trump.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Pence's lying during the campaign was legendary. You could tell even he didnt believe the defenses he was making.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Pence's lying during the campaign was legendary. You could tell even he didnt believe the defenses he was making.

Remember when he laughed out loud and said, "That's Donald Trump" when asked about Cheeto claiming he'd win 95% of the black vote?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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One wonders why the Clinton's legendary lying status mattered? Oh, that's right. Republicans can lie. Democrats can't. Why? Cause Republicans will always vote for liars. Certain Democrats won't.