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POTUS 45.10 - Stage Two in Perpetuity

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A bunch of Notre Dame students got up and walked out of graduation when Mike Pence got up to speak. Looks like it was quiet and not a riot (hey, that rhymes! And is the name of an 80s band!). That's the way to do a protest. Not that nonsense like at Berkeley.

This.
 
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A bunch of Notre Dame students got up and walked out of graduation when Mike Pence got up to speak. Looks like it was quiet and not a riot (hey, that rhymes! And is the name of an 80s band!). That's the way to do a protest. Not that nonsense like at Berkeley.

It was also quite different than in 2009 when Pro-Life students protested then-President Obama's commencement address by heckling and chanting a number of times in a far more disruptive action. Different enough that some had to be removed from the ceremony.

Notre Dame, which frequently has had a president give the commencement address in his first year in office (4 of the last 6 and George HW Bush also delivered the address in his final year in office) feared the likelihood of a repeat of the circus in 2009, so declined to extend an invitation to trump. My guess is that other than the military academies and a handful of Christian, far right leaning universities, protests against trump as a commencement speaker will generate huge and highly emotional disruptions. Notre Dame likely would have been no different.

Protests aside, Obama appeared to receive, overall, a far warmer reception in 2009 than Pence did today.
 
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Frankly, the silent walkout by ND students carries a far more powerful message than folks who yell and scream, etc. One tends to tune the screamers out.
 
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@ananavarro
Ivanka Fund got $100MM pledge from Saudis & UAE.

But oops! Trump is like Hallmark cards. There's an old tweet to celebrate every occasion.

Quotes Trump tweet saying "Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!"

I am sure it is just a misquote though ;)
 
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My guess is that other than the military academies and a handful of Christian, far right leaning universities, protests against trump as a commencement speaker will generate huge and highly emotional disruptions. Notre Dame likely would have been no different.

Also, most colleges probably like their commencement speaker to give a halfway coherent speech with an actual ****ing point that isn't 50% pencildick kvetching about whoever they feel wronged them this week, so they prefer to go in another direction.
 
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@ananavarro
Ivanka Fund got $100MM pledge from Saudis & UAE.

But oops! Trump is like Hallmark cards. There's an old tweet to celebrate every occasion.

Quotes Trump tweet saying "Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!"

I am sure it is just a misquote though ;)

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
 
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I am sure it is just a misquote though ;)
There's a Trump Tweet for everything he's done the opposite of.

- The above Hillary Foundation tweet: "@RealDonaldTrump: Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!"

- "@RealDonaldTrump: Many people are saying it was wonderful that Mrs. Obama refused to wear a scarf in Saudi Arabia, but they were insulted.We have enuf enemies"
(Melania didn't wear a hijab on this trip. Nor did Laura Bush on her husband's trip. Nor Hillary. Nor Barbara. But let's not let that argument get in the way of Trump's misguided rant or his subsequent 180 on the position.)

- "@RealDonaldTrump: Let’s get out of Afghanistan. Our troops are being killed by the Afghanis we train and we waste billions there. Nonsense! Rebuild the USA."
(Trump just said last week he wants to invest more bodies and money into Afghanistan.)

"@RealDonaldTrump: Fact--Obama does not read his intelligence briefings nor does he get briefed in person by the CIA or DOD. Too busy I guess!"
(It's common knowledge, I believe even Trump admitted it, that Trump doesn't have an intelligence briefing.)

Also, this gem... "@RealDonaldTrump: Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016"


In fact, there is a whole Reddit forum dedicated to Trump's 180-isms. Dude backpedals harder than a defenseman caught out of position. Reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump
 
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I will preface that I AM NOT DEFENDING TRUMP OR HIS ACTIONS OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. Just to be clear.

So, Rs ripped no hijab/etc in Saudi Arabia. Ok, so there was a precedent set with no hijab/etc. Trumps followed that precedent.

This is a reasonable response, although it seems illogical. Yes, they (Trumps) COULD have set a new precedent. They didn't.
 
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Frankly, the silent walkout by ND students carries a far more powerful message

It was outstanding. If people cause a disturbance then whatever they say it will be misrepresented by those whose job it is to normalize this creep and smooth the path for his fascism. A silent walkout says exactly what needs to be said: this creature is a stain and all who carry water or provide cover for him are aiding a lethal threat to our ideals.
 
Re: POTUS 45.10 - Stage Two in Perpetuity

There's a Trump Tweet for everything he's done the opposite of.

- The above Hillary Foundation tweet: "@RealDonaldTrump: Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!"

- "@RealDonaldTrump: Many people are saying it was wonderful that Mrs. Obama refused to wear a scarf in Saudi Arabia, but they were insulted.We have enuf enemies"
(Melania didn't wear a hijab on this trip. Nor did Laura Bush on her husband's trip. Nor Hillary. Nor Barbara. But let's not let that argument get in the way of Trump's misguided rant or his subsequent 180 on the position.)

- "@RealDonaldTrump: Let’s get out of Afghanistan. Our troops are being killed by the Afghanis we train and we waste billions there. Nonsense! Rebuild the USA."
(Trump just said last week he wants to invest more bodies and money into Afghanistan.)

"@RealDonaldTrump: Fact--Obama does not read his intelligence briefings nor does he get briefed in person by the CIA or DOD. Too busy I guess!"
(It's common knowledge, I believe even Trump admitted it, that Trump doesn't have an intelligence briefing.)

Also, this gem... "@RealDonaldTrump: Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016"


In fact, there is a whole Reddit forum dedicated to Trump's 180-isms. Dude backpedals harder than a defenseman caught out of position. Reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump

The funniest one today is easily telling everyone that if Obama doesn't say "Radical Islamic Terrorism", he should resign.
 
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It was outstanding. If people cause a disturbance then whatever they say it will be misrepresented by those whose job it is to normalize this creep and smooth the path for his fascism. A silent walkout says exactly what needs to be said: this creature is a stain and all who carry water or provide cover for him are aiding a lethal threat to our ideals.

Yep.

Gonna go out on a limb here......my grandpa only raised his voice ONCE. ONCE. Whatever I did, I sure as hell never did it again. He was the "quiet disciplinarian." In other words, instead of raising his voice EVERY time, he only chose the most serious offenses. Kept the quiet, stern voice for delivering the general message. This is what ND did, and that is to be respected.
 
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BTW can I just say I dont like the idea of selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. Why does every president have to kiss their ***? They arent our ally no matter how much they pretend to be. And any R that likes that deal is the biggest hypocrite of them all...
 
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BTW can I just say I dont like the idea of selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. Why does every president have to kiss their ***? They arent our ally no matter how much they pretend to be. And any R that likes that deal is the biggest hypocrite of them all...

Because despite all their internal strife within the royal family, and rumors of social discontent being squashed, they're one of the few stable countries at a macro level. And even if they don't supply us with much, or any crude these days, they can still impact the crude oil markets.
 
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One of Trump's pet Nazis takes a hit. Private sector to the rescue. Take the train, snotburger.

I'm torn on this. I'm sure this is my white male privilege talking, but I think I'd also have rescinded the prof's membership. There's political disagreement, and then there's just being a *******. IMO, she crossed the line of public courtesy, even if the guy is a white supremacist idiot. No one expects to get into political disputes at the gym, and it's not something you want to foster as a private business owner. I'm sure the owners weighed the pros and cons, and told her if it happens again, she's out.
 
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I will preface that I AM NOT DEFENDING TRUMP OR HIS ACTIONS OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. Just to be clear.

So, Rs ripped no hijab/etc in Saudi Arabia. Ok, so there was a precedent set with no hijab/etc. Trumps followed that precedent.

This is a reasonable response, although it seems illogical. Yes, they (Trumps) COULD have set a new precedent. They didn't.

I had no problem with Michelle not wearing a hijab and I have no issue with Melania or Ivanka not wearing one. I am all for honoring the traditions of a country but only to a point.
 
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