The chart was through October, 2014. Have data that includes the last 2 years of 44?
USCHO Fan Forum
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.
POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
- Thread starter joecct
- Start date
- Status
The chart was through October, 2014. Have data that includes the last 2 years of 44?
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
The seven countries now in question were singled out by a law Mr. Obama signed in 2015.
https://mic.com/articles/166845/the...mpiled-by-the-obama-administration#.t3PWLhIpU
And here I thought Mr. Obama should be chastised for leaving his desk blotter on his desk where he'd been taking meeting notes. Never leave your desk blotter; the new guy will use it. (I didn't think Mr. Trump came up with those by himself. Turns out he didn't.)
Where am I most upset with this?
15 of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. Why aren't they on this list for "extreme vetting."* If you're going to claim this is about "terror", why not that.
*That's rhetorical. We all know why they weren't on Obama's or Trump's list.
The seven countries now in question were singled out by a law Mr. Obama signed in 2015.
https://mic.com/articles/166845/the...mpiled-by-the-obama-administration#.t3PWLhIpU
And here I thought Mr. Obama should be chastised for leaving his desk blotter on his desk where he'd been taking meeting notes. Never leave your desk blotter; the new guy will use it. (I didn't think Mr. Trump came up with those by himself. Turns out he didn't.)
Where am I most upset with this?
15 of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. Why aren't they on this list for "extreme vetting."* If you're going to claim this is about "terror", why not that.
*That's rhetorical. We all know why they weren't on Obama's or Trump's list.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
There is a difference, though personally I'm not sure I'd go to the wall on it.
In Obama's case you had a Congress that refused to govern. They were paralyzed because on the one hand they couldn't do anything constructive with Obama or the Tea Party would destroy them, but on the other hand they couldn't do anything positive and proactive themselves because the entire basis of their coalition was opposition to Obama. If they tried to do anything the cracks would split wide open. Under those circumstances, Obama was filling the void left by a dysfunctional legislature.
In Trump's case, everything he's doing could be done by Congress and signed by him. They're on the same team. It's just not being done because going through Congress requires vetting the measures through deliberation. So he's taking a shortcut.
Now, personally, I think the former case may actually be worse, because the executive was in effect doing an end run around the legislature and in that sense defying the will of the people who could always react to Congress by cleaning house. Obama's defense was everything he did could be reversed if Congress would get off its as-s. But I was queasy about that, personally. I don't think you'll find old posts by me crowing about Obama's executive orders and defending them, either, nor have I been attacking Trump's use of them now although I don't care for it.
AFAIK, the executive orders have in all instances been legal. Even if they are unconstitutional that is "legal" in the sense that the O-lineman holds and it's up to the ref to call it.
The worry is Trump will now populate the judiciary with hacks who will rubber stamp his every motion, gutting the Constitution. EVERYBODY should be ready to go to the wall on that, if not for patriotism or the belief in American political values, than at least for your pragmatic observation that tomorrow the axe could be held in a different hand.
There is a difference, though personally I'm not sure I'd go to the wall on it.
In Obama's case you had a Congress that refused to govern. They were paralyzed because on the one hand they couldn't do anything constructive with Obama or the Tea Party would destroy them, but on the other hand they couldn't do anything positive and proactive themselves because the entire basis of their coalition was opposition to Obama. If they tried to do anything the cracks would split wide open. Under those circumstances, Obama was filling the void left by a dysfunctional legislature.
In Trump's case, everything he's doing could be done by Congress and signed by him. They're on the same team. It's just not being done because going through Congress requires vetting the measures through deliberation. So he's taking a shortcut.
Now, personally, I think the former case may actually be worse, because the executive was in effect doing an end run around the legislature and in that sense defying the will of the people who could always react to Congress by cleaning house. Obama's defense was everything he did could be reversed if Congress would get off its as-s. But I was queasy about that, personally. I don't think you'll find old posts by me crowing about Obama's executive orders and defending them, either, nor have I been attacking Trump's use of them now although I don't care for it.
AFAIK, the executive orders have in all instances been legal. Even if they are unconstitutional that is "legal" in the sense that the O-lineman holds and it's up to the ref to call it.
The worry is Trump will now populate the judiciary with hacks who will rubber stamp his every motion, gutting the Constitution. EVERYBODY should be ready to go to the wall on that, if not for patriotism or the belief in American political values, than at least for your pragmatic observation that tomorrow the axe could be held in a different hand.
Last edited:
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
As opposed to making brand new countries. Where there's exactly NOTHING for them.
There are empty homes all over this country.
Again, where in this world would you create a new country out of scratch??? You still haven't come up with a possible location for that.
As opposed to making brand new countries. Where there's exactly NOTHING for them.
There are empty homes all over this country.
Again, where in this world would you create a new country out of scratch??? You still haven't come up with a possible location for that.
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
First, that story is from 2014, so it's incomplete. However, and I think it was the Times that wrote about this, what we saw under the Obama administration that we really hadn't seen on a same scale from other Presidents, is the use of Executive Memorandums. That is, President's started to realize that we (or more precisely, the media) like to count things like Executive Orders, pardons, etc... Thus Obama started to issue Executive Memorandums, which had many of the same effects as Executive Orders, but were missing some things like I think the need to publish them or something (unofan will know more). But more importantly, the press hadn't yet started counting and comparing the Executive Memorandums to prior presidents.
We had that debate before. I'll see if I can find the stories that discuss that. Those stats, like a lot of stats, are misleading.
First, that story is from 2014, so it's incomplete. However, and I think it was the Times that wrote about this, what we saw under the Obama administration that we really hadn't seen on a same scale from other Presidents, is the use of Executive Memorandums. That is, President's started to realize that we (or more precisely, the media) like to count things like Executive Orders, pardons, etc... Thus Obama started to issue Executive Memorandums, which had many of the same effects as Executive Orders, but were missing some things like I think the need to publish them or something (unofan will know more). But more importantly, the press hadn't yet started counting and comparing the Executive Memorandums to prior presidents.
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
Israel is the only country that would come close to applying in this context. The rest of the "new countries" were made up of people already living there.
The proposal is to make another new country to put all of the current refugees into that place. Jews were already living in Palestine, so it's not as if it was 100% empty of Jews when it finally was made a country- heck, Jews had been going there for a long time- which sped up during WWII. And they were going on their own.
This case- countries would just put their refugees into this "new country". Where ever that will be.
Pretending that we can do that for less money than letting developed countries make new housing is laughable.
Israel is the only country that would come close to applying in this context. The rest of the "new countries" were made up of people already living there.
The proposal is to make another new country to put all of the current refugees into that place. Jews were already living in Palestine, so it's not as if it was 100% empty of Jews when it finally was made a country- heck, Jews had been going there for a long time- which sped up during WWII. And they were going on their own.
This case- countries would just put their refugees into this "new country". Where ever that will be.
Pretending that we can do that for less money than letting developed countries make new housing is laughable.
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
It's an interesting chart, though. Ford was certainly not a power grabber, yet his numbers are high. Wonder what it was he felt was necessary to accomplish by EO?
It's an interesting chart, though. Ford was certainly not a power grabber, yet his numbers are high. Wonder what it was he felt was necessary to accomplish by EO?
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
It's good to know that the board of directors seem to know where the money comes from.
It's good to know that the board of directors seem to know where the money comes from.
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
what he hell are you talking about? Still clutching your gun waiting for Obama to come take it?
what he hell are you talking about? Still clutching your gun waiting for Obama to come take it?
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
It's not a slash unless the orange arm band goes up.
It's not a slash unless the orange arm band goes up.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
EOs were intended to be relatively innocuous, establishing a day in commemoration of some person or event, giving directives to agencies to act within existing law already established by Congress, and so on. It's when those orders start to look like they're new laws having been written without Congress is when the vast majority of people get upset - especially when it's not their guy in the White House.
EOs were intended to be relatively innocuous, establishing a day in commemoration of some person or event, giving directives to agencies to act within existing law already established by Congress, and so on. It's when those orders start to look like they're new laws having been written without Congress is when the vast majority of people get upset - especially when it's not their guy in the White House.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
It's only legit if it comes from the left-wing echo chamber.
It's only legit if it comes from the left-wing echo chamber.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
The Executive staff (past, present) that runs the day-to-day operations understands who they really work for, hence, no Saudi Arabia on the list.
The Executive staff (past, present) that runs the day-to-day operations understands who they really work for, hence, no Saudi Arabia on the list.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
So basically all Trump is doing is enforcing the laws that are on the books. What a novel idea for the leader of the executive branch! In the executive orders I am aware of, I don't recall them dealing with anything that isn't already either in the Constitution, or signed into law.
So basically all Trump is doing is enforcing the laws that are on the books. What a novel idea for the leader of the executive branch! In the executive orders I am aware of, I don't recall them dealing with anything that isn't already either in the Constitution, or signed into law.
http://www.snopes.com/social-security-recipients-barred-from-owning-guns/
Congress is expected to fix this very soon.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
I'm not sure but I suspect after 1974 the Congress was safely in Democratic hands. That was both during the period of Democratic dominance in the House, and also during Watergate the Republican party had the aroma of, well, the current Republican party... and Democrats were whiter and voted back then.
A large # of OEs may most closely track with a hostile Congress. That was certainly what was behind Obama's number.
I'm not sure but I suspect after 1974 the Congress was safely in Democratic hands. That was both during the period of Democratic dominance in the House, and also during Watergate the Republican party had the aroma of, well, the current Republican party... and Democrats were whiter and voted back then.
A large # of OEs may most closely track with a hostile Congress. That was certainly what was behind Obama's number.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
Yup. Wasn't the first to establish a National Park?
And now, like everything that's become politicized, when you have the power your are righteous with it; when the other side has the power they are demonic with it.
Obama's 2015 Terrorist Travel Prevention Act was righteous; Trump's EO is ________.
When I see stuff like this I'm more convinced that this is all the magician's front hand and that we, the public, are being played.
Yup. Wasn't the first to establish a National Park?
And now, like everything that's become politicized, when you have the power your are righteous with it; when the other side has the power they are demonic with it.
Obama's 2015 Terrorist Travel Prevention Act was righteous; Trump's EO is ________.
When I see stuff like this I'm more convinced that this is all the magician's front hand and that we, the public, are being played.
Last edited:
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
Um, wasn't that rule that people who were SS pensioners because they were insane shouldn't have guns?
Cuz I'm pretty much OK with that.
Granted, Flag's right to worry.
Um, wasn't that rule that people who were SS pensioners because they were insane shouldn't have guns?
Cuz I'm pretty much OK with that.
Granted, Flag's right to worry.
Last edited:
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road
You can play for Mike any day.
It's not a slash unless the orange arm band goes up.
You can play for Mike any day.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Which private school did you, Sean Spicer, Donald Trump, and Kellyanne Conway go to?
- Status