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POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road

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FlagDUDE08 said:
Funny thing is, having a number of musical friends (many of which, as you might expect, are anti-Trump), you should see how PO'd they are about this one. It's definitely time for those artistic to step up on their own, and may one of the most cutthroat industries find the fittest to survive.
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Everybody is mad when their funding gets cut. And of course it is indicative of our country's priorities when we spend trillions on the military and zero on culture. But it's for the best in the long run. Art needs to be free of the state, and a way to ensure that is no state funding.

This is something which the Founders would have strongly disagreed with, BTW. As Enlightenment scholars and intellectuals, they understood the importance of culture and believed strongly in the responsibility of a nation to support its artists. In their hatred of elites and intellectuals in general the right is the opposite of the Founders.
 
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Handyman said:
Well played! :)

In News No One Will Find Shocking The Urine King is Cutting Funding to the Arts

"The Hill, whose source is an unnamed member of Drumpf’s transition team, reported that Drumpf will eliminate both the National Endowment For The Arts and the National Endowment For The Humanities, and privatise the Corporation For Public Broadcasting."

I amm sure we will hear this is to balance the budget...but that is like trying to balance your companies budget by cutting spending on paper clips. Only this move actually makes our kids dumber.
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None of that will have a real impact on the budget- so why cut them?

Also, making CPB private is dumb. Right now, it's the only way that we all have a voice that can be heard on a nation wide level that is paid for by all of us. Every country has it's government sourced news- and this one is looked over by so many on both sides that it HAS to be as equal as it can.

So speech may be free, it will just come at a higher monetary cost. Yay. And if private company does not like your message, then they can block it. Yay better.

Horrible.

This leads to more and more facts just not mattering anymore. I'm perfectly fine with the conclusion of the facts being partisan- but when actual facts get just brutalized- we are really f'ed up.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Funny thing is, having a number of musical friends (many of which, as you might expect, are anti-Trump), you should see how PO'd they are about this one. It's definitely time for those artistic to step up on their own, and may one of the most cutthroat industries find the fittest to survive.
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So basically, everything has to be about money. Everything.

If you can't make money, it's not worth doing.

Education, keeping people in prison, socialism (insurance), etc. Gotta make money. At the expense of all else.

That's a terrible path to go down.
 
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alfablue said:
So basically, everything has to be about money. Everything.

If you can't make money, it's not worth doing.

Education, keeping people in prison, socialism (insurance), etc. Gotta make money. At the expense of all else.

That's a terrible path to go down.
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We have the intelligence, education, wealth and numbers to create a parallel structure of voluntary NGOs to support the things we want. Remember, the state is only a box to keep stuff in. When the state is run by lunatics in the service of cretins, we need an emergency route to insulate us. In shielding our services from public control we can establish our own priorities and run them our way. For example: private medical service providers will be run by science instead of superstition. We have the numbers to make these things cost effective or, where not, to accept the loss as the cost of civilization. Coincidentally, by withdrawing from the regime's systems and from righty corporate structures, we can make them fail.

If it's to be a Darwinian struggle between left and right, I really like our chance. :) Nerds > jocks.
 
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alfablue said:
So basically, everything has to be about money. Everything.

If you can't make money, it's not worth doing.

Education, keeping people in prison, socialism (insurance), etc. Gotta make money. At the expense of all else.

That's a terrible path to go down.
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People thought I was going to be a music major. Fact of the matter is: It doesn't pay the bills. Everything has an opportunity cost. It is an unfortunate reality in our world.
 
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alfablue said:
Also, making CPB private is dumb.
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I'll make you change your mind < snap > this quickly.

What if it's not privatized and Trump fires the current NPR staff and puts Steve Bannon and his Breitbart Radio crew in their place.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Can't wait til this voter fraud gets investigated! Guess who is registered to vote in two states? Why, Steve Bannon!

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/steve-bannon-is-registered-to-vote-in-two-states.html
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GOP is freaking out. What happens to all their voter suppression methods when the justification of "voter fraud" is conclusively proven to be false?

And yes, I know the answer: the results will reflect Trump's delusions. They will write the Conclusions and then conduct the "study."
 
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Kepler said:
We have the intelligence, education, wealth and numbers to create a parallel structure of voluntary NGOs to support the things we want.
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< ding! >

How do you make Planned Parenthood no longer beholden to Government money? Don't take Government money.

It's crazy talk, but I'd like to see a truly smaller government doing less and less; but, along with that, taking less and less from everyone in taxes. Why?

Then people can put their money where their mouths are. Nancy Pelosi can use her personal wealth to support her causes. Crabby ol' Newt Gingrich can do the same. Social programs no longer exist as political pawns. The Government reforms and reshapes to do the mandatory Constitutional minimums.

But I know it can't happen. It's too libertarian sounding; and, government never ever takes less money or gets smaller.
 
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alfablue said:
So basically, everything has to be about money. Everything.

If you can't make money, it's not worth doing.

Education, keeping people in prison, socialism (insurance), etc. Gotta make money. At the expense of all else.

That's a terrible path to go down.
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Something people should have considered before they voted for Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, or no one. Trump voters are getting what they want because he campaigned on this stuff. Why are lefties surprised that there was a consequence for not voting Dem last year? :confused:

Frankly, NPR is getting too "false equivalency" for me. Now they'll need to beg the very people they've been screwing (liberals) to stay in business. That's kinda funny. :D
 
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The Sicatoka said:
< ding! >

How do you make Planned Parenthood no longer beholden to Government money? Don't take Government money.

It's crazy talk, but I'd like to see a truly smaller government doing less and less; but, along with that, taking less and less from everyone in taxes. Why?

Then people can put their money where their mouths are. Nancy Pelosi can use her personal wealth to support her causes. Crabby ol' Newt Gingrich can do the same. Social programs no longer exist as political pawns. The Government reforms and reshapes to do the mandatory Constitutional minimums.

But I know it can't happen. It's too libertarian sounding; and, government never ever takes less money or gets smaller.
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If Charity solved societies issues we wouldn't have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. It doesn't work. There isn't a single utopia on this planet that meets your vision.
 
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alfablue said:
So basically, everything has to be about money. Everything.
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No it doesn't, as long as you don't care about having a place to live, something to eat, clothes to wear, that new iPhone, ...

There was some crazy dude (they hung him on a tree because he was an insurrectionist) a couple thousand years ago who said something like "sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, ... then come back and follow me." There are people doing that today. It's an option. < shrug >
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
If Charity solved societies issues we wouldn't have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. It doesn't work. There isn't a single utopia on this planet that meets your vision.
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Then our system sucks the worst, except for all the other systems out there. ;)

More seriously, I (probably Utopianly) believe that if folks knew the Government wasn't taking care of the issues you mention more folks would get involved. Instead, meh, the Government is taking care of that and they're taking my money already for it; what's on Netflix?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
If Charity solved societies issues we wouldn't have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. It doesn't work. There isn't a single utopia on this planet that meets your vision.
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I understand this. I am suggesting we create a system of charity that is sufficient.

However, this is a private club. We get to choose who we help. The virtue of the state was it helped everybody, which meant people could rant and whine about "them durned shiftless Negroes!" and then go to the mail box and get their gubbmint cheese (and pills). No more. Cut the dead wood. If you want into our club you'll abide by our rules. Rule #1 is stop being a selfish d-ck. You don't want to stop being a d-ck? Fine, you're out. Good luck getting help from the laissez-faire types. (Here's a hint: you better be white, straight, and Christian, to begin with.

I'm saying we John Galt, but instead of the captains of industry it's the smartest, the wisest, and the kindest. We can't physically leave the gorilla planet, so I'm saying we economically leave the gorilla economy. (Though with our brains and enterprise we'll probably be able to leave the gorilla planet in the near future, now that we don't have to drag along all that deadwood. Science has always been the gift of the left to the ungrateful grubs of the right.)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'll make you change your mind < snap > this quickly.

What if it's not privatized and Trump fires the current NPR staff and puts Steve Bannon and his Breitbart Radio crew in their place.
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Two things- something like that can be undone at the next administration, and given that there's likely to be a balance rule withing CBP- they can also be sued for equal time. Lets not forget that there are actual laws for equality that would have to be undone via an act of congress for the bias to be that bad for a long time.

Last I checked, Fox and MSNBC are still very partisan, and are unlikely to change based on the owners.
 
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Kepler said:
I understand this. I am suggesting we create a system of charity that is sufficient.

However, this is a private club. We get to choose who we help. The virtue of the state was it helped everybody, which meant people could rant and whine about "them durned shiftless Negroes!" and then go to the mail box and get their gubbmint cheese (and pills). No more. Cut the dead wood. If you want into our club you'll abide by our rules. Rule #1 is stop being a selfish d-ck. You don't want to stop being a d-ck? Fine, you're out. Good luck getting help from the laissez-faire types. (Here's a hint: you better be white, straight, and Christian, to begin with.

I'm saying we John Galt, but instead of the captains of industry it's the smartest, the wisest, and the kindest. We can't physically leave the gorilla planet, so I'm saying we economically leave the gorilla economy. (Though with our brains and enterprise we'll probably be able to leave the gorilla planet in the near future, now that we don't have to drag along all that deadwood. Science has always been the gift of the left to the ungrateful grubs of the right.)
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People who have a LOT of money would not likely go for it. They'd rather spend their money on things to kill other people. See- don.

It's only fair when everyone contributes. A little socialism here and there doesn't hurt anyone. Insurance is socialism that makes a profit. Our whole defense department is socialized defense (sadly, the system has gotten into the Military Industrial Complex- so it's a big profit area, too). Schools have been socialized- but the less they are- the less effective they have become.

Just look at Finland- very socialistic and yet there are some very wealthy people from there. As well as innovative technology. Socialism can work really well.
 
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alfablue said:
Two things- something like that can be undone at the next administration,
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In my scenario, is Trump undoing, or undoing what someone else undid of someone else's undoing? <-- I think that made me dizzy. :D
That's why it should be privatized.

As a follow-up, is CPB (PBS) partisan right now? Or, asked another way, does PBS sound more like Fox or MSNBC.
 
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