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POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.

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A question... and I should know this... Abe Lincoln was a very progressive Republican, almost radical, at a time the democrats were very conservative. When did the parties switch philosophies? Was it gradual or sudden?
 
geezer said:
A question... and I should know this... Abe Lincoln was a very progressive Republican, almost radical, at a time the democrats were very conservative. When did the parties switch philosophies? Was it gradual or sudden?
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1964? Great Society?
1968? Bobby and Martin, Vietnam War & Silent Majority?
1972? McGovernites

I'm thinking sometime between 68 and 72.
 
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When the Democrats gave blacks rights. Think "We've lost the south for a generation."
 
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Trump's inaugural concert drew 10,000 people, down a touch from Obama's 400,000 in 2009. It maybe would have been higher if they had invited Trump's good buddy Kanye West to perform, but he wasn't invited because they wanted something more "typically and traditionally American," according to the inauguration planner.

Meanwhile, Obama had Bruce Springsteen play a private, two-hour acoustic concert for his staff as a thank you last week. Baller move.
 
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joecct said:
1964? Great Society?
1968? Bobby and Martin, Vietnam War & Silent Majority?
1972? McGovernites

I'm thinking sometime between 68 and 72.
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That was only the advance of what had been a growing trend. There is a famous convention in 1948 when the moderate Democrats stopped a segregation plank supported by Strom Thurmond. "The time has come for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadow of states' rights and walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights!" -- Hubert Humphrey. A lot of the Dixiecrats walked out in protest, Thurmond ran a third party campaign, and Northern liberals began to discuss how to cut the racists loose without destroying the party. Over the next 16 years the Dixiecrats lost all their influence with the DNC but southern voters were still pre-programmed to vote Democratic, leading to the really weird and temporary phenomenon of white racists and blacks backing the same party.

'64 was the last straw, and the racists began to flood over to the Republican party. Nixon's southern strategy and Reagan's policies were explicit attempts to welcome racist whites into the party and by 1980 the South had become the fascist paradise we still see today. Now, to be fair, they had always been pro-war even as Dixiecrats, partly because of traditional southern militarism and partly as a jobs program for a seemingly ineducable population. But it was the specific genius of advisers like Roger Ailes and campaign managers like Lee Atwater who hooked the militarism up with first racism and finally religious fundamentalism, to create the modern Republican authoritarian coalition. That they did it under the cover of libertarian language is just that much funnier.
 
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geezer said:
A question... and I should know this... Abe Lincoln was a very progressive Republican, almost radical, at a time the democrats were very conservative. When did the parties switch philosophies? Was it gradual or sudden?
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I don't know, but he sure wouldn't find a home in today's Republican party.
 
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I don't know, but he sure wouldn't find a home in today's Republican party.
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And JFK would have a hard time in the current Dem.

This just in - out of work congresswomen Michelle Bachman has said that BHO will pardon the 3 Clintons and the Clinton Foundation tomorrow.
 
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And JFK would have a hard time in the current Dem.

This just in - out of work congresswomen Michelle Bachman has said that BHO will pardon the 3 Clintons and the Clinton Foundation tomorrow.
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bho didn't pardon snowden because he said he can only pardon someone who has been to court.

(they shouldn't be brought up on anything anyhow. don't care one way or another. but if he does them he should do snowden too)
 
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joecct said:
And JFK would have a hard time in the current Dem.

This just in - out of work congresswomen Michelle Bachman has said that BHO will pardon the 3 Clintons and the Clinton Foundation tomorrow.
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She does understand there has to be something to pardon, right?
 
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joecct said:
This just in - out of work congresswomen Michelle Bachman has said that BHO will pardon the 3 Clintons and the Clinton Foundation tomorrow.
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Who would be stupid or desperate enough to put a mike in front of her?
 
geezer said:
A question... and I should know this... Abe Lincoln was a very progressive Republican, almost radical, at a time the democrats were very conservative. When did the parties switch philosophies? Was it gradual or sudden?
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Southern strategy. The Dixiecrats became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act was passed.
 
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burd said:
Neil Young's expert analysis:

“Maybe this election thing needs to be looked at again, maybe there’s something wrong with it, maybe there’s something wrong with the candidates, the choices, the availability, the forum that it is, the two-party system, the whole thing. Maybe the whole thing is a little bit off and people are looking at it, that’s why there wasn’t any interest,” he says. “Many people when Bernie went away just went away. They said, ‘He was the only one we liked, the other ones we don’t like and we’re not gonna vote for something we don’t like cause we felt what it was like when we were backing somebody we really believed in.’ So that’s what happened in my view.”

Gotta love those rockers.

Two cats in the yard.
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how to fix it then?

seems like just getting on a ballot requires party affiliation, which is rather stupid. very difficult to get third party names on PLUS you need multiple states to garner electorial college voters.
might move mookie to go to popular vote. but mookie does hold the EC dear to give each state a chance to state their importance in the united STATES part of our country. :)
 
mookie1995 said:
how to fix it then?

seems like just getting on a ballot requires party affiliation, which is rather stupid. very difficult to get third party names on PLUS you need multiple states to garner electorial college voters.
might move mookie to go to popular vote. but mookie does hold the EC dear to give each state a chance to state their importance in the united STATES part of our country. :)
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I'm with Neil, I think most of us are poorly represented. Not sure how to fix it though... what's up with those parliamentary systems where some parties get like 13/160 seats?
 
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geezer said:
I'm with Neil, I think most of us are poorly represented. Not sure how to fix it though... what's up with those parliamentary systems where some parties get like 13/160 seats?
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mookie doesn't think any of us are represented :D power elite sit in office and die there, representing only themselves.
 
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Or maybe it's just that 90% of Americans, having been spoiled rotten since birth with no concepts of delayed gratification or compromise, let alone personal sacrifice or living in service (myself surely included) are unable to accept living in a society with differing views. Seems kind of hopeless if the only thing that could cheer people up is widespread famine or something similarly trying.
 
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