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Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams
DU, CC, UND, SCSU, UNO, UMD; I don't see why they wouldn't.
DU, CC, UND, SCSU, UNO, UMD; I don't see why they wouldn't.
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The NACHO league is really spread out, and hell, short of Notre Dame wanting to get out of Hockey East, there's not really any school in the west currently that those schools would want, and well frankly, I think its kind of safe to say that there's schools in the NACHO that wouldn't be there had the Irish jumped with those schools originally. Expansion for them because of their ego's currently pretty much limits them to a bigger D1 school getting a sugar daddy donor to pump cash into everything Hockey there. Say like a school like Iowa State, NDSU, Kentucky, or a Colorado State. And hell, other than Kentucky, I could see where it would be unlikely for the NACHO vote to be all in agreement when voting those programs in, provided they have the mythical sugar daddy donor with a blank check for hockey.
The new WCHA, is likely to be a little more inclusive in what schools they would accept into their ranks, but as things stand know, would probably like to stay as a mostly a bus league. MSU-Moorhead kind of stretches out the league's travel path a lot. Other than that, its kind of slim pickings as to who's been kicked around as a possiable D1 program. Central Michigan, Grand Valley State, and Northern Illinois starting up new programs, Wayne State restarting up their program, and oh hell, if we're going far fetched, Adrian moving their program up to D1. Not exactly instant name brand recognition bringing programs, but hell, they fit nicely within the foot print of the league to help keep more of the games there fairly bus friendly.
Eh, if nothing more than to dick them over for blowing up the perfectly good WCHA and the So So CCHA that likely would have provided better expansion capabilities in the West and Midwest than what the now set up of BTHC/NACHO/nWCHA offers up.
The NACHO league is really spread out, and hell, short of Notre Dame wanting to get out of Hockey East, there's not really any school in the west currently that those schools would want, and well frankly, I think its kind of safe to say that there's schools in the NACHO that wouldn't be there had the Irish jumped with those schools originally. Expansion for them because of their ego's currently pretty much limits them to a bigger D1 school getting a sugar daddy donor to pump cash into everything Hockey there. Say like a school like Iowa State, NDSU, Kentucky, or a Colorado State. And hell, other than Kentucky, I could see where it would be unlikely for the NACHO vote to be all in agreement when voting those programs in, provided they have the mythical sugar daddy donor with a blank check for hockey.
The new WCHA, is likely to be a little more inclusive in what schools they would accept into their ranks, but as things stand know, would probably like to stay as a mostly a bus league. MSU-Moorhead kind of stretches out the league's travel path a lot. Other than that, its kind of slim pickings as to who's been kicked around as a possiable D1 program. Central Michigan, Grand Valley State, and Northern Illinois starting up new programs, Wayne State restarting up their program, and oh hell, if we're going far fetched, Adrian moving their program up to D1. Not exactly instant name brand recognition bringing programs, but hell, they fit nicely within the foot print of the league to help keep more of the games there fairly bus friendly.
blackswampboy
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Re: Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams
how do you figure that the nWCHA is a bus league? the league is not bussing from Alaska to Alabama to Bemidji. through no fault of their own, kinda tough to stretch out the league's travel path further than it already is.
and while you're going farfetched, don't forget about former CCHA members KSU and OU. OU is an ACHA power, and Kent has an on-campus arena.
how do you figure that the nWCHA is a bus league? the league is not bussing from Alaska to Alabama to Bemidji. through no fault of their own, kinda tough to stretch out the league's travel path further than it already is.
and while you're going farfetched, don't forget about former CCHA members KSU and OU. OU is an ACHA power, and Kent has an on-campus arena.
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Moorhead is no longer pursuing D-I hockey. Adrian is not possible, no suitable arena and D-III schools can no longer move up to play D-I. What arenas would you propose the others play in?
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FlagDUDE08
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You know, I just noticed that "Potntial" has the potential for a misspelling. Actually, forgot potential, it IS misspelled.
Plus, far-fetched would be Arizona State moving up their club team. However, if the guy that talked about USC or San Diego getting a team got his wish, then there's your travel partner (similar to how DU has CC).
You know, I just noticed that "Potntial" has the potential for a misspelling. Actually, forgot potential, it IS misspelled.
Plus, far-fetched would be Arizona State moving up their club team. However, if the guy that talked about USC or San Diego getting a team got his wish, then there's your travel partner (similar to how DU has CC).
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Agreed. The early motivation was to get the schools with the best consistent records. Next I think they wanted to additionally get solid representation in key recruiting grounds. This is why they needed to have UMD, SCSU and WMU.
All this is done. Now they will make exception for just big schools...but probably any big school. Why? Two letters...TV. Its why they would have done anything for Notre Dame and would for again for any other national rep school.
Agreed. The early motivation was to get the schools with the best consistent records. Next I think they wanted to additionally get solid representation in key recruiting grounds. This is why they needed to have UMD, SCSU and WMU.
All this is done. Now they will make exception for just big schools...but probably any big school. Why? Two letters...TV. Its why they would have done anything for Notre Dame and would for again for any other national rep school.
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I'm not sure if you're serious here? The WCHA had 12 members and the CCHA 11. Neither one was fit for expansion, too crowded already. The CCHA even shot down Huntsville as a 12th because they were holding out hope for a big school like Penn State or Illinois to fill that final slot. In order to expand, one or both of those conferences had to blow up. It's much more flexible now. The NCHC is likely to take on a larger schools and will be more tolerable of wider geography because they will already travel so much. The nWCHA will be perfectly happy to take anyone in their footprint, prestigious school or not. The B1G is of course, pretty limited on who they'll accept but quite content I'd imagine. History aside, isn't that an ideal setup for expansion purposes?
And while I love conjecture or rumor of new programs, not worth relating it to current leagues really. Pretty much everyone needs a sugar daddy these days so pretty impossible to predict or plan todays leagues around those possibilities. That being said, darkhorse Illinois State to nWCHA (pure conjecture, no actual rumors). The CHL team Bloomington Blaze is in a bad spot so they'll want to fill that hockey arena with someone, right? = )
I'm not sure if you're serious here? The WCHA had 12 members and the CCHA 11. Neither one was fit for expansion, too crowded already. The CCHA even shot down Huntsville as a 12th because they were holding out hope for a big school like Penn State or Illinois to fill that final slot. In order to expand, one or both of those conferences had to blow up. It's much more flexible now. The NCHC is likely to take on a larger schools and will be more tolerable of wider geography because they will already travel so much. The nWCHA will be perfectly happy to take anyone in their footprint, prestigious school or not. The B1G is of course, pretty limited on who they'll accept but quite content I'd imagine. History aside, isn't that an ideal setup for expansion purposes?
And while I love conjecture or rumor of new programs, not worth relating it to current leagues really. Pretty much everyone needs a sugar daddy these days so pretty impossible to predict or plan todays leagues around those possibilities. That being said, darkhorse Illinois State to nWCHA (pure conjecture, no actual rumors). The CHL team Bloomington Blaze is in a bad spot so they'll want to fill that hockey arena with someone, right? = )
Patman
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Only UND, DU, and UNO are Div 1... There is a rule out there... I just don't recall what it is exactly... W WMU and Miami being d1 that might be enough to cover
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams
So are you saying that the nWCHA will never have an autobid? After all, there's only one full D-I school in that league. (Bowling Green)
So are you saying that the nWCHA will never have an autobid? After all, there's only one full D-I school in that league. (Bowling Green)
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I was hoping someone would come along with something official to clarify the autobid rule, but my understanding is that 6 teams must have played together for 2 years before being allowed to have an autobid. D1 or D2/D3 schools don't have anything to do with it.
Following the women's leagues (3/20/12): RIT to go D-I, play full CHA schedule in 2012-13
The CHA had six and were comfortable with RIT playing an independent since RIT would have been number seven. They would wait two years, then get the autobid. Once Niagara dropped, it didn't make sense to play a year with only five + RIT as an independent. They made RIT a member right away to get that clock ticking to get that autobid sooner.
So if you look at that, the NCHC would have an autobid, hence the referenced DU, CC, SCSU, UNO, UMD UND. Six teams all played together for two years or more in the WCHA. Add in 2 new teams of Miami and W. Michigan.
But by that logic, the nWCHA would not have an autobid right away. You have the WCHA 4 (UAA, Bemidji, Michigan Tech, Mankato) + the CCHA 5 (UAF, BG, Ferris, LSSU, Norther Michigan) + 1 independent (Huntsville). No six teams have played together in a league for 2 years. Same problem for the B1G.
Unless I'm missing something, the nWCHA and the B1G will be fighting for at large spots off the bat. I imagine for one year then at the end of the second they get an autobid? Or maybe two years of at large bids then an autobid in year three. That I'm less certain about.
I was hoping someone would come along with something official to clarify the autobid rule, but my understanding is that 6 teams must have played together for 2 years before being allowed to have an autobid. D1 or D2/D3 schools don't have anything to do with it.
Following the women's leagues (3/20/12): RIT to go D-I, play full CHA schedule in 2012-13
The CHA had six and were comfortable with RIT playing an independent since RIT would have been number seven. They would wait two years, then get the autobid. Once Niagara dropped, it didn't make sense to play a year with only five + RIT as an independent. They made RIT a member right away to get that clock ticking to get that autobid sooner.
So if you look at that, the NCHC would have an autobid, hence the referenced DU, CC, SCSU, UNO, UMD UND. Six teams all played together for two years or more in the WCHA. Add in 2 new teams of Miami and W. Michigan.
But by that logic, the nWCHA would not have an autobid right away. You have the WCHA 4 (UAA, Bemidji, Michigan Tech, Mankato) + the CCHA 5 (UAF, BG, Ferris, LSSU, Norther Michigan) + 1 independent (Huntsville). No six teams have played together in a league for 2 years. Same problem for the B1G.
Unless I'm missing something, the nWCHA and the B1G will be fighting for at large spots off the bat. I imagine for one year then at the end of the second they get an autobid? Or maybe two years of at large bids then an autobid in year three. That I'm less certain about.
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Patman
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One, you are behind the times, two the NCAA has had rules on minimum number of full div 1 schools needed for the autobid.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams
Would you please provide a citation for this?
Would you please provide a citation for this?
Re: Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams
Ohio has the Bird Arena on campus. It's small by D-1 standards, but it's an intimidating place for opponents.
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Actually it would have been 10 and 8, after the Big Ten schools left.
Powers &8^]
Actually it would have been 10 and 8, after the Big Ten schools left.
Powers &8^]
Ah, thought didn't even cross my mind. I suppose room would be one advantage to that setup. Others would point out the many disadvantages. Not a debate for this thread though.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams
Bylaw 18.5. http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf
According to this, though, since Big Ten is a multi-sport conference, they will receive the autobid, as they are not held to the two year requirement (bylaw 31.3.4.4.1). WCHA would receive the autobid under the grace period and 5 team rule (after all, how did CHA get away with it when UAH is D-II?). NCHC is a tough cookie, as although they have 6 together, I don't see anything about it have to be that particular conference, so they might be eligible. As for the terminology of "Division I membership", if they're playing hockey at the Division I level, why would they not be considered Division I members?
Bylaw 18.5. http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf
According to this, though, since Big Ten is a multi-sport conference, they will receive the autobid, as they are not held to the two year requirement (bylaw 31.3.4.4.1). WCHA would receive the autobid under the grace period and 5 team rule (after all, how did CHA get away with it when UAH is D-II?). NCHC is a tough cookie, as although they have 6 together, I don't see anything about it have to be that particular conference, so they might be eligible. As for the terminology of "Division I membership", if they're playing hockey at the Division I level, why would they not be considered Division I members?
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I was talking about the NACHO schools breaking off right after the BTHC announce they was going to their own conference.
Adrian would need a whole new arena yes. But it really wouldn't be that much of a reach for them to move the rest of the athletic department up to D2 and play in the GLIAC. They already have the facilities that would put them on par with about everybody else in the GLIAC. And well, there's been a lot of concern from some of the Michigan GLIAC schools that eventually, some of the Ohio schools in the GLIAC might get tired of us all thumping on them all of the time for the most part and might opt to break off into their own conference. Adrian would be welcomed into the GLIAC with wide open arms.