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Potential rule changes coming

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A poorly related comment towards the player(I can't remember who) who got hit in the face with a puck and came back later in the game.

Which one? These are hockey players we're talking about after all :). Joking aside, you thinking of Duncan Keith?
 
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I think the hybrid icing is worth a try. Touch up icing is needlessly dangerous. The half shield is interesting. I guess it's a matter of which injury is worse, cuts and losing teeth or concussions. Making hits to the head a penalty becomes another grey area with height differences, severity of contact etc. If half shields bring the hands and forearms down it may be worth a try. Sometimes there is an out of control kamkazi aspect to the college game, perhaps the face coverage lends itself to this aura of invincibility.:)
 
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I think half shields need to go one way or the other. To have them legal in the college game would make a lot of sense to me. It does make players more accountable for the use of their stick in the corners and in front of the net, but they'll probably want to implement the double-minor highsticking penalty if they went in that direction. Schools may have to look at increasing their insurance policies as well, although I'm not exactly sure if the athletes are completely on their family's policies for collegiate sport or not. Obviously a head injury can be more serious than a facial injury, but there will be cases (like Ian Laperriere of the Flyers) where a kid will get hit with a puck and have some serious injuries in all areas.

If they choose not to allow half shields, then they should not allow them throughout junior hockey in the US (except maybe the USHL, since that league is considered as much of a pro development league as it is a college development league). Leagues like the NorPAC, WSHL, CSHL, NAHL, MnJHL, etc should be mandatory full face shields if they want to stay consistent with calling themselves a college development league.

Bottom line is, kids at all levels have proven that they can move on to play pro hockey, so why not help them out and give them one less thing to worry about when they do move on. I would think this would help the D1 coaches recruiting against major junior in a way (I hope anyway).

As for the hybrid icing rule. I don't think it would be a bad thing to try out for a couple years and see what the feedback is in 2012. I watched some games in juniors that used that rule, and it was as effective as touch icing, but seemed to eliminate a lot of potential injury scenarios.

The shorthanded no-icing rule is a joke. Until they start penalizing players for launching the puck out of play deliberately, this is going to cause more injuries to fans in the stands, as well as injuries to tired players. The players will just start launching the puck out of play, into the benches or over the glass in the neutral zone. You can tell rinks to put in netting all around the rink, but that makes for some lousy viewing. This is something that would be detrimental to the game. The rules committee needs to relax and start remembering that it's just as fun to watch a 2-1 game when the goalies are playing well, as it is to watch a game that puts up lacrosse scores.
 
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It might make sense to go the full 2 mins on PP. Not let guy out of box when team scores. But no icing? I don't know how that will work. The guys have never done that before seems like it could cause injuries especially with no change rule.
 
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I think half shields need to go one way or the other. To have them legal in the college game would make a lot of sense to me. It does make players more accountable for the use of their stick in the corners and in front of the net, but they'll probably want to implement the double-minor highsticking penalty if they went in that direction. Schools may have to look at increasing their insurance policies as well, although I'm not exactly sure if the athletes are completely on their family's policies for collegiate sport or not. Obviously a head injury can be more serious than a facial injury, but there will be cases (like Ian Laperriere of the Flyers) where a kid will get hit with a puck and have some serious injuries in all areas.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't thin Laperriere was even wear a half shield... he got hit above the eye, which is pretty hard to do with a half shield. Regardless, I absolutely agree that there will be some cases like that. But these cases are indeed few. I would be content with a switch to half shield simply because, as has been said, jaws heal but brains don't. The one issue would be the dental risk. I mean, especially in DIII (and yes, I know that most of the committee couldn't give a flying **** about DIII), the focus is supposed to be on the SA getting a degree and building towards a successful future. Imagine an accounting major looking to become an accountant, showing up to the interview missing 8 teeth... doesn't set the former SA at all. I know this is all out of the realm of discussion within the committee, but it is a valid point. Anyway, as I said, I would be content with Half Shields. I'm not supporting either way.

If they choose not to allow half shields, then they should not allow them throughout junior hockey in the US (except maybe the USHL, since that league is considered as much of a pro development league as it is a college development league). Leagues like the NorPAC, WSHL, CSHL, NAHL, MnJHL, etc should be mandatory full face shields if they want to stay consistent with calling themselves a college development league.

NCAA doesn't control these leagues at all. They are under the supervision of USAHockey. And they call themselves College Development Leagues, but all of the USAHockey junior leagues prefer to think of themselves as professional development leagues. They push the players as much towards the pros (unsuccessfully 99.999% of the time) just as much as they push them towards college. Maybe not so much in a lot the specific leagues you mentioned, but DEFINITELY in USHL, NAHL, EJHL (to an extent), and all of the Canadian Leagues. And most of the junior leagues don't care if a SA goes to NCAA or CIS... it's still good PR for them, either way. So why would they change to match the rules of a league that most of the time they couldn't give a **** about?


Bottom line is, kids at all levels have proven that they can move on to play pro hockey, so why not help them out and give them one less thing to worry about when they do move on. I would think this would help the D1 coaches recruiting against major junior in a way (I hope anyway).

I can't find it, but I know about a year ago I read an article about NCAA kids, who were used to full cages, having exponentially greater occurrence of high-sticking and CTH penalties than their Major-Junior counterparts. The article had quotes from an NHL scout who said that is was a big factor that makes NHL players a bit more hesitant to use NCAA kids. So it could no only benefit recruiting, it could potentially make NCAA a more viable development league for professional leagues (which, in turn, would help recruiting even more)

As for the hybrid icing rule. I don't think it would be a bad thing to try out for a couple years and see what the feedback is in 2012. I watched some games in juniors that used that rule, and it was as effective as touch icing, but seemed to eliminate a lot of potential injury scenarios.

I love hte idea behind the rule... but I think it is a HORRIBLE Idea for DIII. Too much of a grey area... asking referees to make a very subjective decision... that's way too much influence on a game for the officials.


The shorthanded no-icing rule is a joke. Until they start penalizing players for launching the puck out of play deliberately, this is going to cause more injuries to fans in the stands, as well as injuries to tired players. The players will just start launching the puck out of play, into the benches or over the glass in the neutral zone. You can tell rinks to put in netting all around the rink, but that makes for some lousy viewing. This is something that would be detrimental to the game. The rules committee needs to relax and start remembering that it's just as fun to watch a 2-1 game when the goalies are playing well, as it is to watch a game that puts up lacrosse scores.

100% agreed, without a doubt. Idiotic, beyond belief.
 
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Get ready for 8-6 games on a regular basis.

Which is exactly what the NCAA is hoping for. Perhaps penalties should just result in an automatic goal for the victimized team. I mean that's the next step if offense doesn't increase enough with these changes.

I don't think there is enough wrong with our game that it needs these drastic changes.

I do admit to liking the rule that the offending team has to serve their penalty even if the other team scores on the delayed penalty call.
 
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At least they didn't make it a violation to lay down to block a shot, which was discussed in at least the preliminary stages.
 
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I do admit to liking the rule that the offending team has to serve their penalty even if the other team scores on the delayed penalty call.

That's just giving a team a opportunity to score two goals on the same power play. Especially if they force the offending team to actually control the puck instead of just touch it.

The shorthanded icing rule is the change that is by far the stupidest.
 
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I agree. That's going to make a circus out of the game. I don't think there was ever a time, at least in the modern era, when you could not ice the puck on the PK.:(
 
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I agree. That's going to make a circus out of the game. I don't think there was ever a time, at least in the modern era, when you could not ice the puck on the PK.:(

In international play in the 60's that was the rule. They changed it after the 68 Olympics. At least back in those days, they could ice the puck to get a change of PK units.
 
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I haven't been following this thread or this board nearly as much as I usually do.

Is this rule ACTUALLY happening and official for next year?

Is there anyway it can be reversed until the start of the season or we're set in stone for 2010-2011 that there cannot be icing by the team down a man?

Also, I believe the comment made about players just flicking the puck into the stands will definitely be more frequent as long as there continues to be no penalty for delay of game like there is in the NHL.
 
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I believe that these are just being proposed for next season. Now, where it goes from there, or how close these are to becoming official, I don't know.
 
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I believe that these are just being proposed for next season. Now, where it goes from there, or how close these are to becoming official, I don't know.

IF they do become official, they MUST be so, for two years.
 
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If this rule passes, I think we'll see slower play because of the stoppage due to icing on PK. Also think there will be many pucks launched over the glass. I don't think you'll see players become aware of the fact that they should not incur a penalty. One rule I think they should put in place if they want to increase scoring is a minor penalty continues for the full 2 minutes regardless is the team on the PP scores or not. Funny that no one mentioned that.
 
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Finally got a USCHO blog that details all the proposed rules.

Given the proposed icing rule, I am at least happy to see this:
Rule: Defensive team shoots puck out of play from defensive zone

Explanation: When a delay of game penalty is not called, the team that shoots the puck directly out of play would not be allowed to change its players.

Rationale: This would provide some penalty for a defending team that shoots the puck out of play directly. If the puck is ruled to be deliberately shot out of play, a delay of game penalty may still be issued.

Other interesting ones not already discussed on this forum:
-Handpasses must be "deliberate". (my comment: refs must determine intent?)
-Timeouts can be used to change players in an otherwise "no-change" situation
-Change Net specifications to match NHL
-Clearly stating "goal allowed for a foul with an empty-net" and "goaltender interference" rules that have already been in practice.

Legalizing all hand passes, deliberate or not, in all zones...
4x4 OTs...
and mandating that offending teams in a delayed penalty situation must possess the puck outside of their defensive zone to draw the whistle,
are all listed as "experimental".

And future considerations "no penalty for high stick not causing risk", and "full 2 minutes of the minor regardless of PPGs against". Both sound bad to me.
 
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