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Post University (D-II/NE-10) adds men's and women's ice hockey

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joecct

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From SBNation: http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201...niversity-adds-mens-and-womens-varsity-hockey

The women would be eligible for the women's National Collegiate Championship provided they play enough games against D-I/II competition.

And here's the conference to do it:
Sacred Heart (D-I independent)
St. Anselm (D-II/ECAC-E ECAC-E)
Franklin Pierce (D-II/NE-10 ECAC-E)
Holy Cross (D-I ECAC-E)
St. Michaels (D-II/NE-10 ECAC-E)
Post University (D-II new)

That's 6 and they have an AQ into the NCAA NCC.
 
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joecct said:
From SBNation: http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201...niversity-adds-mens-and-womens-varsity-hockey

The women would be eligible for the women's National Collegiate Championship provided they play enough games against D-I/II competition.

And here's the conference to do it:
Sacred Heart (D-I independent)
St. Anselm (D-II/ECAC-E ECAC-E)
Franklin Pierce (D-II/NE-10 ECAC-E)
Holy Cross (D-I ECAC-E)
St. Michaels (D-II/NE-10 ECAC-E)
Post University (D-II new)

That's 6 and they have an AQ into the NCAA NCC.
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Don't know why they wouldn't do it - right now they play for NOTHING after the regular season. Why not form up and play for a NCAA berth?

I honestly think that Post University has absolutely NO chance of fielding a women's team next season as they hope to do (what are they thinking!!??) - they have no coach and no recruited athletes. It would be an absolute embarrassment to start up in April from scratch and expect to play in October. I doubt they could even put a team on the ice. And I'm not even sure where they have ice - there isn't much in the Waterbury area .... Taft? Gunnery? Milford? Shelton (where Sacred Heart already plays)?

BTW - I can't wait for the WCHA crowd to go ballistic when this happens - "another bid for an undeserving team at the expense of the WCHA". But now all the D1 teams will be willing to schedule Sacred Heart - no reason not to - easy win that actually counts towards tourney qualifying....
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
But now all the D1 teams will be willing to schedule Sacred Heart - no reason not to - easy win that actually counts towards tourney qualifying....
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It wouldn't help at all toward tournament qualification. Wins against teams that are too weak mathematically wind up being dropped from the RPI calculation, Sacred Heart wouldn't be a Team Under Consideration, and it only helps in Common OPponents if Sacred Heart is able to beat or tie a team that is competing for a spot. It essentially winds up being a wasted game in terms of at-large qualification.
 
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Though it would help in terms of playing enough games against D1 competition to be eligible.
 
Re: Post University (D-II/NE-10) adds men's and women's ice hockey

6 team conference. 4 games against each other = 20 games. Surely SOMEBODY is going to run away and hide which will lead to a good winning pct. The out of conference games? What the heck, schedule the bottom half of the ECAC and HEA.

Eventually, they'll get better or die trying.
 
joecct said:
6 team conference. 4 games against each other = 20 games. Surely SOMEBODY is going to run away and hide which will lead to a good winning pct. The out of conference games? What the heck, schedule the bottom half of the ECAC and HEA.

Eventually, they'll get better or die trying.
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Pointless. All about the Benjamins, and these programs have already shown they want to part with as few Lincolns ( the copper kind) as possible.
 
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Hux said:
Pointless. All about the Benjamins, and these programs have already shown they want to part with as few Lincolns ( the copper kind) as possible.
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Or they go 0 scholarships and play within a bus ride with limited overnights. They'll have to poop a few Jeffersons and maybe a Roosevelt or two.
 
ARM said:
It wouldn't help at all toward tournament qualification. Wins against teams that are too weak mathematically wind up being dropped from the RPI calculation, Sacred Heart wouldn't be a Team Under Consideration, and it only helps in Common OPponents if Sacred Heart is able to beat or tie a team that is competing for a spot. It essentially winds up being a wasted game in terms of at-large qualification.
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The teams in the conference will play 80% (or more if no one will schedule them) of their games against each other. At least 1 will likely be a TUC as a result. Sacred Heart will have a shot against that team for at least 1 win or tie. So teams will take that chance.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
The teams in the conference will play 80% (or more if no one will schedule them) of their games against each other. At least 1 will likely be a TUC as a result. Sacred Heart will have a shot against that team for at least 1 win or tie. So teams will take that chance.
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We're talking a league like the CHA in size, only far weaker. In this year's CHA, only Mercyhurst was a TUC, and the Lakers were tied for 12th with two others. It isn't a given that a league full of teams that can't beat anyone but each other will have a TUC. Even if one team's RPI edges over .5000, it will rank near the bottom of the TUC list. Beating a team that has a win or a tie versus a TUC isn't the same as beating a TUC. The goal of teams trying to get in at large isn't to get an advantage over those teams near the bottom of the list. It is to gain some advantage over the top eight, only this year it was the top seven, and with a league of teams not interested in investing in their programs, just finding a way to get into the tournament, it would become the top six in some seasons. The math you suggest isn't the reason to play these teams.

I think full-time D-I teams would be forced to play them for another reason. Suppose they only played each other plus D-III teams. It is possible then that one or two of these teams could wind up with a very good RPI, if they weren't being defeated by teams from the other D-I leagues. Then if someone else from this hypothetical new league won its tournament auto bid, there could be two or possibly (although I'm not sure that the math would work out here) three tournament qualifiers from this isolated new league that doesn't play the full-time D-I programs. So teams may have an incentive to play this new league to try to drive down the RPI of everyone in the league. Note that if a number of teams do this, there isn't any direct PairWise advantage for the D-I team itself.

Yale played Sacred Heart in an exhibition, where the Bulldogs won 10-2, and a nonconference game, where they took a 13-0 decision. For that reason, I think that the NCAA selection rules would quickly change in this new world, because there isn't any benefit to having teams that are roughly the caliber of Sacred Heart added to a tournament that a team like Yale wasn't strong enough to reach.
 
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For the record -- Yale's win against Sacred Heart this year did help Yale's RPI. It was not a "bad win" that was removed from their TUC.

Which, as has been a drum I've beaten all year, was ludicrous.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
For the record -- Yale's win against Sacred Heart this year did help Yale's RPI.
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That is likely a function of Yale being around .5000 in RPI. As you get closer to the top, there are more and more games that hurt rather than help. But, point taken.
 
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Reminds me a little bit of Atlantic Hockey which limits the number of men's scholarships below 18.

I would think recruiting would be helped if these schools could play for something. And playing for something might make the schools consider offering some athletic money.
 
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How exactly does this D-II hockey conference work? I didn't even know it existed until reading about it just now. Is it different from D-III hockey other than the fact that they play for their own league championship? I feel like I'd be more inclined to go to a D-III school (in either men's or women's hockey) than to the Northeast-10, even though they're supposedly D-II.
 
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Not to disparage the man, I'm sure he's a fine person. This is directed at the Post people...the assistant from NEC, the worst D3 team ever to lace up the skates in any era of hockey, who formerly coached and played club hockey???? What could possibly go wrong????
 
wpiguy said:
Not to disparage the man, I'm sure he's a fine person. This is directed at the Post people...the assistant from NEC, the worst D3 team ever to lace up the skates in any era of hockey, who formerly coached and played club hockey???? What could possibly go wrong????
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Agreed. Did nobody else apply for this job?! Maybe the salary is very low and other candidates with more NCAA experience turned it down. I'd like to know what the salary is and what other candidates applied for this job. This is another hiring decision that is tough to figure out. I guess the people that made this chkice are just as dumb as a post.
 
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shelfit said:
Agreed. Did nobody else apply for this job?! Maybe the salary is very low and other candidates with more NCAA experience turned it down. I'd like to know what the salary is and what other candidates applied for this job. This is another hiring decision that is tough to figure out. I guess the people that made this chkice are just as dumb as a post.
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The whole thing just seems so odd and poorly conceived and thought out...D2? The announcement made now? Hiring a coach with such underwhelming credentials? The whole exercise just seems silly.
 
remember that schools don't have a "choice" to play D2 or D3. If Post is D2 in every other sport, which they are, they are classified as D2. They can certainly schedule and play D3 teams, but they will not be eligible for any D3 postseason tournaments.

The other schools that are Division II or Divison I but play D3 schedules are Saint Michael's, Franklin Pierce, Saint Anselm and Holy Cross. Sacred Heart is also Division I but plays a lot of D3 teams.

Saint Michael's, Franklin Pierce, Saint Anselm and Holy Cross all currently play in the ECAC East.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
remember that schools don't have a "choice" to play D2 or D3. If Post is D2 in every other sport, which they are, they are classified as D2. They can certainly schedule and play D3 teams, but they will not be eligible for any D3 postseason tournaments.
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Even if they were eligible for the D3 post season, I don't see them being a competitive team that could make the D3 post season for many years, so they're very lucky that they will be eligible to play in that D1/D2 meaningless tournament that those other schools you listed currently play in.
 
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