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Fitchburg got hosed
Fitchburg got hosed
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Post all your cries whines, objections, complaints here
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CardsFan91
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A 12-loss team gets into the tournament...
Might aswell invite Geneseo and Buffalo State while they're at it.
A 12-loss team gets into the tournament...
Might aswell invite Geneseo and Buffalo State while they're at it.
LakerFan99
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Waiting...
Waiting...
LakerEagleLover
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http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/files/BRACKET_2011DIIIMIH.pdf
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/files/BRACKET_2011DIIIMIH.pdf
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Even if Salem has won the MASCAC, I am not sure they would have gotten in based on the weight the committee gave to SoS. The MASCAC upsets (Westfield over Plymouth and Fitchburg over UMD) hurt the potential SoS of Salem.
No, as Salem did not. Fitchburg (who played a great game BTW), had a nice SoS, but their OOC was weak. Salem had better credentials than a lot of teams that got in (including better that CSC), but their SoS was <.500 and it killed them.Fitchburg got hosed
Even if Salem has won the MASCAC, I am not sure they would have gotten in based on the weight the committee gave to SoS. The MASCAC upsets (Westfield over Plymouth and Fitchburg over UMD) hurt the potential SoS of Salem.
VermontfaninNY
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Elmira got screwed, without a doubt but at least they are in.
What happened to Castleton was a travesty. I am not a fan of them since I root for the other ECAC East school in VT, but when you go 22-4 on the year you should get in. They had 3 loses all regular season, two of which came against tournament teams, and the other one had a winning record. The last loss came against a Babson team that played great hockey in the playoffs and almost upset Norwich as well.
W-S on the other hand not only not only finished the season 16-12 but also lost to every single team in there own conference. Sure Plattsburgh had a bad in conference record, but they played perfect outside of the SUNYAC. W-S to top everything off lost 3 non-conference games.
The bottom line was; the west some how got 4 teams in during a year where there was absolutely no reason to have 4 Western teams in. If you wanted a high-loss team in I am sure that Castleton, Williams, Utica, Geneseo, Hamilton, Manhattanville, Salem State, Fitchburg State, Hobart, Middlebury, or Amherst would have been just as good. They all had been records than W-S.
Elmira got screwed, without a doubt but at least they are in.
What happened to Castleton was a travesty. I am not a fan of them since I root for the other ECAC East school in VT, but when you go 22-4 on the year you should get in. They had 3 loses all regular season, two of which came against tournament teams, and the other one had a winning record. The last loss came against a Babson team that played great hockey in the playoffs and almost upset Norwich as well.
W-S on the other hand not only not only finished the season 16-12 but also lost to every single team in there own conference. Sure Plattsburgh had a bad in conference record, but they played perfect outside of the SUNYAC. W-S to top everything off lost 3 non-conference games.
The bottom line was; the west some how got 4 teams in during a year where there was absolutely no reason to have 4 Western teams in. If you wanted a high-loss team in I am sure that Castleton, Williams, Utica, Geneseo, Hamilton, Manhattanville, Salem State, Fitchburg State, Hobart, Middlebury, or Amherst would have been just as good. They all had been records than W-S.
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Someone care to explain the lack of consistancy? Elmira owns a huge SOS advantage over Adrian, but loses Win%....Elmira @ Adrian.
Castleton has a huge Win% advantage over Superior, but loses SOS....Superior is in, Castleton is home...
Was it that more important to give St. Norbert the bye than it was to get the 11th team that deserved it more to get in? I hope that's not the case...
Anyone have an intelligent thought on this?
Someone care to explain the lack of consistancy? Elmira owns a huge SOS advantage over Adrian, but loses Win%....Elmira @ Adrian.
Castleton has a huge Win% advantage over Superior, but loses SOS....Superior is in, Castleton is home...
Was it that more important to give St. Norbert the bye than it was to get the 11th team that deserved it more to get in? I hope that's not the case...
Anyone have an intelligent thought on this?
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
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Here's the issue for Castleton - which supports the choice despite the fact that I thought they were a lock. Their OWP is 56th out of 77 teams (including the D2 teams, from my data), and their OOWP is 27th. For UWS their OWP is 30th and their OOWP is 17th. The result is a very big difference in in SOS metric.
Here's the issue for Castleton - which supports the choice despite the fact that I thought they were a lock. Their OWP is 56th out of 77 teams (including the D2 teams, from my data), and their OOWP is 27th. For UWS their OWP is 30th and their OOWP is 17th. The result is a very big difference in in SOS metric.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
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It came to simple higher seed. Adrian is a higher seed than Elmira.
Elmira got bumped to the third seed in the East.
It came to simple higher seed. Adrian is a higher seed than Elmira.
Elmira got bumped to the third seed in the East.
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Play a better OOC and you're in. 7 games vs. ranked teams vs. 17 games. Granted some of that is the 3x the NCHA plays, but still - CSC needs to ramp up the OOC.
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The East committee got played on that one
The East committee got played on that one
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
A) 4 loses?? See Adrian from a couple years ago.
B) Castleton and UWS were probably the last two from each region selected. As has already been pointed out, UWS and Castleton tied criteria but UWS had a gigantic lead in SOS which probably trumps Castletons winning %. Yes, several teams would have beat out UWS, but the East region had Castleton next, of which UWS wins...its not that hard to figure out.
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SNC would have had a bye either way. It actually cost Hamline a direct ticket to the QF round
SNC would have had a bye either way. It actually cost Hamline a direct ticket to the QF round
LakerEagleLover
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Does anyone else think that if the Frigid Four was in the East this would have played out differently?
Does anyone else think that if the Frigid Four was in the East this would have played out differently?
BUhockey24
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Castleton got absolutely screwed. I have never seen a team with a 22-4 record in an established conference that was highly ranked both in NCAA and USCHO polls throughout the year and does not get in because of a Neuman team, who supposively plays in a tough division however their conference has only contributed to 1 national championship, thats all. Please someone find me a NESCAC or a ECAC East team that went 22-4 and did not get into the tournament.
Neuman and Wisc. Superior getting in over Castleton. This selection committee is an absolute joke. Norwich has to play in a play-in game while Elmira gets a first round bye?
What a joke.
Castleton got absolutely screwed. I have never seen a team with a 22-4 record in an established conference that was highly ranked both in NCAA and USCHO polls throughout the year and does not get in because of a Neuman team, who supposively plays in a tough division however their conference has only contributed to 1 national championship, thats all. Please someone find me a NESCAC or a ECAC East team that went 22-4 and did not get into the tournament.
Neuman and Wisc. Superior getting in over Castleton. This selection committee is an absolute joke. Norwich has to play in a play-in game while Elmira gets a first round bye?
What a joke.
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I don't see that it makes a difference in terms of the FF field. There's one West guaranteed, two East guaranteed and the Adrian/Elmira pairing. Would have been the same choices with Castleton instead of UWS.
If anything, it makes it harder for the MIAC champ to get to Ridder
Does anyone else think that if the Frigid Four was in the East this would have played out differently?
I don't see that it makes a difference in terms of the FF field. There's one West guaranteed, two East guaranteed and the Adrian/Elmira pairing. Would have been the same choices with Castleton instead of UWS.
If anything, it makes it harder for the MIAC champ to get to Ridder
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Though I wonder how soon Salem was thrown out? They beat CSC 3-1, but the CSC win % blew SSC's win % away while Salem's lead in SoS, CoP and RvRT was slim.
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Though I wonder how soon Salem was thrown out? They beat CSC 3-1, but the CSC win % blew SSC's win % away while Salem's lead in SoS, CoP and RvRT was slim.