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Poll Results Nov 9th ..hard to predict but easy to criticize

Re: Poll Results Nov 9th ..hard to predict but easy to criticize

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Back on to the subject of the thread (the poll)... How does Williams, a team that won't even play its first game before NEXT WEEK's poll, gain a vote it did not have in the preseason poll? :confused:
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Two ways:

1) Not every poll gets counted each week. There are back-ups who also submit ballots in case one of the regular voters does not get theirs in on time, or at all. So, someone who voted in last weeks poll may not have submitted a poll this week, or they may not have submitted a poll last week, and did so this week.

2) After 2 weeks between polls, someone could have simply changed their mind.
 
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Pioneers#1 said:
Yeah,If WNEC is like anything from last season,Utica shoulden't have a problem friday night,and so thats taken care of.....The Challenge will definitly be Saturday night up in Oswego.I think if Utica wins or tie,UC will definitly shoot up to the 13,14 or 15th shot.If they lose i think that in the next poll that comes out UC will have recieving votes,but won't have as many as they do now.I also think that;after seeing how people are picking the Utica @ Oswego game in both the SUNYAC & EcacWest pick 'em,that People under- estimate the Pioneers this season.Grant it were only 2 games into the season but when Anthony Luckow is hott in the net,he doesen't let much past him.I base this on seeing how some people think it'll be 7-1 or 7-2 or a very far margin of victory for Oswego.I might be 100% wrong on this one,But i seriously can't see Utica getting stomped on by Oswego Saturday night.

Again,I say this is my opinion and that i could be and probably am 100% wrong on this one.I do reconize that Oswego beat up Platty in Platty last saturday night,but remember we blew out Neumann and tied them(in which that whole game we led 2-0 until the ladder half of the third period)....so as long as everyone recnizes that both teams beat teams considerd better than them and ranked higher than them.....

I know its hard,if you haven't seen UC this year,but believe me when i say they are a Very improved team this year.A very different style of play.....

Alrighty,I'm ready for the feedback......here comes my beating by the Oswego fans....
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well oswego fan here and i dont think it will b a 7-1 or 7-2 game, looks 2b both teams r off to a good start, both seem to have size and scoring, so looks like it will b a old fashioned slugggggfest, only wish i could drive up from NYC, but gotta work protecting the city.......also think the U should have been ranked higher.... nuff said
 
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livin right smack dab in the middle of manahttan...hells kitchen area..
 
Re: Poll Results Nov 9th ..hard to predict but easy to criticize

Matt Rennell said:
Two ways:

1) Not every poll gets counted each week. There are back-ups who also submit ballots in case one of the regular voters does not get theirs in on time, or at all. So, someone who voted in last weeks poll may not have submitted a poll this week, or they may not have submitted a poll last week, and did so this week.

2) After 2 weeks between polls, someone could have simply changed their mind.
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Like this fool who didn't submit a ballot this week. Mostly because I wasn't confident enough with what I had to finalize it, but this is what my last draft looked like.

Rank Team My Previous
1 Manhattanville (1)
2 SNC (3)
3 Adrian (4)
4 Plattsburgh (2)
5 Norwich (5)
6 Stout (7)
7 Oswego (NR)
8 Gustavus (6)
9 Elmira (11)
10 Middlebury (10)
11 Amherst (12)
12 River Falls (NR)
13 Hamline (15)
14 Utica (NR)
15 St. Scholastica (NR) I guess?

I had M'ville #1 in the preseason, no reason to change that. SNC is a worthy #2, but that tie to Hamline is enough to disqualify them from first right now for me. Adrian slides up a spot, no big points of discussion until...

Plattsburgh. Here's the issue with Plattsburgh and Oswego. Let's say, despite the fact I still think Plattsburgh is a better team, I rank Oswego above them. Then I have to rank Elmira above Plattsburgh because Elmira split with Oswego. Then I have to rank Morrisville above Plattsburgh for splitting with Elmira! See how this quickly gets out of hand? So I either go strictly by the results (Morrisville a top 5 team) or I say "screw it" and get creative. I chose the latter.

Norwich stays where they are and...

Stout moves up? Surely Carey has lost it now. Well, maybe. But SNC is the #1 or #2 team in the nation, depending who you ask. Losing twice to them is no shame. Throw in the way they spanked St. Thomas, and I think this spot is perfectly justified.

Oswego might have earned better, but I'm critical of anybody putting them second. I've seen too many Oswego teams climb up the polls only to slam back down, and this team is a fraction of any of those.

Elmira in the vicinity of Oswego and Gustavus just felt right in this spot. Middlebury and Amherst pretty much stay in the same spots (as they should if they haven't played) and River Falls makes an entrance by sweeping a Superior team I was very skeptical about. Hamline gets credit for the SNC tie but little else. Utica displaces the national champions (who, like Superior, were a team I was skeptical about that I moved out) and I threw CSS at the bottom even though I think beating UWSP is like beating a JV squad right now. Hard to leave out a 3 win NCHA team though.

And those are my thoughts.
 
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Josh Carey said:
...and I threw CSS at the bottom even though I think beating UWSP is like beating a JV squad right now.
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If I didn't know you had put this in here merely to annoy me...it might have worked. :)

By the way, junior, where are your SUNYAC pep band rankings? I'm sure Geneseo is making a strong push for #1 this year. Sort of unlike the hockey team...:)
 
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Matthew Webb said:
If I didn't know you had put this in here merely to annoy me...it might have worked. :)

By the way, junior, where are your SUNYAC pep band rankings? I'm sure Geneseo is making a strong push for #1 this year. Sort of unlike the hockey team...:)
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Ranking pep bands is just cruel. They're out there just trying to give people a good show and get the crowd riled up. I wouldn't want to destroy anybody's confidence by ranking them...
 
Re: Poll Results Nov 9th ..hard to predict but easy to criticize

Pioneers#1 said:
Yeah,If WNEC is like anything from last season,Utica shoulden't have a problem friday night,and so thats taken care of.....The Challenge will definitly be Saturday night up in Oswego.I think if Utica wins or tie,UC will definitly shoot up to the 13,14 or 15th shot.If they lose i think that in the next poll that comes out UC will have recieving votes,but won't have as many as they do now.I also think that;after seeing how people are picking the Utica @ Oswego game in both the SUNYAC & EcacWest pick 'em,that People under- estimate the Pioneers this season.Grant it were only 2 games into the season but when Anthony Luckow is hott in the net,he doesen't let much past him.I base this on seeing how some people think it'll be 7-1 or 7-2 or a very far margin of victory for Oswego.I might be 100% wrong on this one,But i seriously can't see Utica getting stomped on by Oswego Saturday night.

Again,I say this is my opinion and that i could be and probably am 100% wrong on this one.I do reconize that Oswego beat up Platty in Platty last saturday night,but remember we blew out Neumann and tied them(in which that whole game we led 2-0 until the ladder half of the third period)....so as long as everyone recnizes that both teams beat teams considerd better than them and ranked higher than them.....

I know its hard,if you haven't seen UC this year,but believe me when i say they are a Very improved team this year.A very different style of play.....

Alrighty,I'm ready for the feedback......here comes my beating by the Oswego fans....
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First, let me say that I do not expect a beating. If Oswego wins by more than 3 goals I will be pleasantly surprised.

But if you look at it this way, perhaps you'll see why some are anticipating a blow out. Oswego is averaging over 5 goals a game and the Lakers are only giving up an average of 2 a game. Utica is also averaging 5+ goals a game, but is giving up a goal and half more a game than the Lakers thus far.

I would venture to say that Luckow is going to have to play better on Saturday than what he has so far this year with his 3.39 GAA and .896 SV%. I don't know if you were alluding to him being hot this year or not, but I don't see Utica pulling off the upset if he stops fewer than 90% of the shots he sees.

Finally, I know how much you love to say the Aud is the toughest place to play in hockey (I'm not disagreeing with you, tho I've never been to a game there). As has been discussed in other threads, that is probably one of the reasons why they didn't get more votes - they played Neumann twice at home where, according to you, Neumann was at a disadvantage because of the crowd. Anyways, I think it may be possible that Utica gets a taste of their own medicine on Saturday night, especially Luckow. Oswego has only had 1 regular season home game thus far and the crowd was tremendous, particularly the student section. The only times I've seen a livelier student section in the Campus Center were for the Plattsburgh game the last 3 seasons. I don't know if the crowd got to Tuttle at all in that 3rd period when the dam broke, but they sure did everything they could to rattle him - something that Luckow had better be prepared for as he'll be surrounded by the students for 2 periods.

Anywho, there's some feedback for you. Should be a good one on Saturday.
 
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Josh Carey said:
Ranking pep bands is just cruel. They're out there just trying to give people a good show and get the crowd riled up. I wouldn't want to destroy anybody's confidence by ranking them...
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You aren't capable of destroying anyone's confidence.
 
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Webb. Illustrated, of course.
 
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Matthew Webb said:
Confirmed.

Speaking of Guru, where has he been? The absence of him and cheery has made this place like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich...minus the peanut butter and jelly. Just no squishy goodness to go with the dry crusty exterior.
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Ta-dah ... ask and you shall receive.
Hey Webb, does that make me the PB or the J?

Yeah, it's been tough time-wise so far this season, but I will be back on a more regular basis fairly soon (Sorry to upset anyone with that news).

I know of a few times - amazingly even PRIOR to Adrian's arrival - where there were two teams in the poll (poll/RV), but three of them is definitely a first.

Great to see...
 
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nysportsfan29 said:
First, let me say that I do not expect a beating. If Oswego wins by more than 3 goals I will be pleasantly surprised.

But if you look at it this way, perhaps you'll see why some are anticipating a blow out. Oswego is averaging over 5 goals a game and the Lakers are only giving up an average of 2 a game. Utica is also averaging 5+ goals a game, but is giving up a goal and half more a game than the Lakers thus far.

I would venture to say that Luckow is going to have to play better on Saturday than what he has so far this year with his 3.39 GAA and .896 SV%. I don't know if you were alluding to him being hot this year or not, but I don't see Utica pulling off the upset if he stops fewer than 90% of the shots he sees.

Finally, I know how much you love to say the Aud is the toughest place to play in hockey (I'm not disagreeing with you, tho I've never been to a game there). As has been discussed in other threads, that is probably one of the reasons why they didn't get more votes - they played Neumann twice at home where, according to you, Neumann was at a disadvantage because of the crowd. Anyways, I think it may be possible that Utica gets a taste of their own medicine on Saturday night, especially Luckow. Oswego has only had 1 regular season home game thus far and the crowd was tremendous, particularly the student section. The only times I've seen a livelier student section in the Campus Center were for the Plattsburgh game the last 3 seasons. I don't know if the crowd got to Tuttle at all in that 3rd period when the dam broke, but they sure did everything they could to rattle him - something that Luckow had better be prepared for as he'll be surrounded by the students for 2 periods.

Anywho, there's some feedback for you. Should be a good one on Saturday.
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The only thing i have to say is that Luckow is better than what the numbers show.Other than that,very well said and thanks for the feedback.I agree on 99.9% of the things you stated.Should be very interesting Saturday night.Utica is definitly going to get a taste of their own medicine.;) :eek: :p
 
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Just because i don't know,who is the starting goalie for Oswego St.??? does he have swine flu or something? and what are his numbers this year so far? (GAA,Save% etc...)
 
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Pioneers#1 said:
Just because i don't know,who is the starting goalie for Oswego St.??? does he have swine flu or something? and what are his numbers this year so far? (GAA,Save% etc...)
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Not sure who will be in net come this weekend. Beckwith started the first four games, then Kyle Gunn-Taylor took over last weekend as Beckwith was said to be sick. One of my friends said he saw Beckwith walking around campus already this week - not sure what that means, if anything.

Here are their stats.
 
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Just by looking at the Stats,It looks like Kyle Gunn-Taylor is the probable to start on Saturday night against Utica College...soley because he has the better stats.......who usually is the starter for Oswego St. though?
 
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