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Plattsburgh State Hockey 2011-12 - The work and progress continue..

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2011-12 - The work and progress continue..

it isnt often that Plattsburgh looks like a second tier team and from what I observed this was one of the times . Norwich is a quality team ,and that played into it but Plattsburgh didnt look like they were one of the three hosts of the best tourney in D3. They looked like the team they bring in to make sure the host gets to the finals (LMAO).......
 
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Prof - Kid undoubtedly has D1 skills, but NU seems to get one of those type of recruits every couple of years. Stop over and say hello. I'll be near the red line in the bright gold sweatshirt with a UVa hat, can't miss me.
 
Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2011-12 - The work and progress continue..

Prof - Kid undoubtedly has D1 skills, but NU seems to get one of those type of recruits every couple of years. Stop over and say hello. I'll be near the red line in the bright gold sweatshirt with a UVa hat, can't miss me.

Unfortunately, my presence today is a coin flip. My wife has plans for me that don't include going over the mountain to Midd. :mad:, however if you are coming to the New Years Tourney in Northfied, you can find me in Section 22
 
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Cardinals fall short {Article from the Plattsburgh Press-Republican - Nov. 26, 2011}

MIDDLEBURY, Vt. — Looking for the equalizer, Plattsburgh State got the first power play of the game early in the second period. But the Cardinals ended up falling farther behind Norwich.

Colin Mulvey's shorthanded goal gave the Cadets a 2-0 lead and they secured a 3-0 win in the first game of the PrimeLink Great Northern Shootout men's hockey tournament Friday at Kenyon Arena.

"They've got a very good power play. So anytime you put yourself down a man, you're really giving them potentially a good confidence-booster," Norwich coach Mike McShane said of the Cardinals. "We were fortunate to get that shot and a goal. It was a quick, bang-bang play, and I think that was a big play in the game."

Plattsburgh (5-2) will play Middlebury in this afternoon's third-place game, and then Norwich will take on Elmira in the championship contest. Elmira defeated Middlebury 3-2 in the second game Friday.

The sixth-ranked Cardinals nearly scored in Friday's third period but were shut out for the first time this season.

"I thought we did a good job when we got the puck in their zone, playing our style of hockey behind their net and generating some offense that way," Plattsburgh coach Bob Emery said. "But we just couldn't get that first goal."

He said a goal might have helped the Cardinals relax, adding that some of them "were gripping their sticks a little too much."

The top-ranked Cadets (5-0) got their first midway through the opening period. They intercepted a puck at the blue line to give themselves a chance on the rush, and Doug Lindensmith flipped it in on top of a Plattsburgh defenseman, who had slid into the net. Kyle Thomas and Corey Hale assisted.

Plattsburgh had a golden opportunity with just over a minute left, when Matt MacLeod jumped on a rebound in the slot. But the shot was deflected away.

Then Mulvey skated in on Mathieu Cadieux and put the puck top shelf 3:13 into the second.

"We gave them what I thought were two easy goals — two bad turnovers that turned into goals," Emery said. "And you're not going to win a lot of games giving up goals that easy."

The Cardinals came close to getting a goal of their own in the third. Alex Jensen sent a shot ricocheting off the far post early on. With a sixth skater on the ice, Plattsburgh got the puck past Norwich's Parker Carroll with 1:22 left, but the goal was waved off because it was gloved in.

Travis Janke tallied an empty-netter in the final second of the game.

Carroll made 12 saves to earn the shutout.

"Our defense has been playing well," McShane said, adding that Carroll's experience has also helped. "And our forwards were back checking well and stealing pucks on the way back."

Cadieux had 15 stops for Plattsburgh.

No. 10 Elmira (5-2) took early control of the second game with three goals in a span of 1:45 in the first period. Brendan Sanders scored 6:37 in, followed by Martin Lee and Regan MacLean.

The 11th-ranked Panthers (2-1) got on the board later in the period on a Brett Brazier goal, and Charlie Strauss put them within one early in the second. They outshot the Soaring Eagles in the third but couldn't tie it.
 
Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2011-12 - The work and progress continue..

it isnt often that Plattsburgh looks like a second tier team and from what I observed this was one of the times . Norwich is a quality team ,and that played into it but Plattsburgh didnt look like they were one of the three hosts of the best tourney in D3. They looked like the team they bring in to make sure the host gets to the finals (LMAO).......

Plattsburgh hasn't faired well against Norwich over the years on bigger ice. However, on the flip side, Plattsburgh has pretty much been equally as dominant on the small ice at the Stafford.
 
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that is true ,however , the Cards have never been so insignificant in a big game in my opinion. This was ,to coin Bob Emery , a game without leadership , and Im saying from the top down. Cards usually adjust to some degree to the oppenents game plan, I kept waiting for it to happen and sadly 3 periods passed and nothing significant .
 
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Maybe Bob Emery should place some emphasis on scoring goals as opposed to solid goaltending and good team defense.

This philosophy of "cycling" the puck isn't working against elite teams like Norwich and Middlebury. Adjust.
 
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when was the last time the Cards were shutout in back-to-back games?
 
Maybe Bob Emery should place some emphasis on scoring goals as opposed to solid goaltending and good team defense.

This philosophy of "cycling" the puck isn't working against elite teams like Norwich and Middlebury. Adjust.

Two NC with that philosophy at SNC. You've got to be able to create offense from your defense.
 
Two NC with that philosophy at SNC. You've got to be able to create offense from your defense.

Correct. And that seems to be the problem. When the Cards push the envelope and play run and gun they produce offense....but all weekend they dedicated the games to defense. Holding Norwich to such a small number or shots and really the same for Middlebury too is a positive....but when Plattsburgh pushed the offense they played much better. Whatever changed after the Brockport game needs to be changed back. A few years ago Plattsburgh put so much emphisis on scoring, thier defense struggled. This year they've put so much on defense over the past three games thier offense has strugled...find the happy medium.
 
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when was the last time the Cards were shutout in back-to-back games?

Just looked into this, and unless I missed something, this weekend was the first instance in the history of the program.

Edit: According to Prez in the scores thread, Plattsburgh's SID came to the same conclusion.
 
Just looked into this, and unless I missed something, this weekend was the first instance in the history of the program.

Edit: According to Prez in the scores thread, Plattsburgh's SID came to the same conclusion.

I have been following the redbirds since 1980 and couldn't remember it ever happening (but may have missed something while in the army after Hoar hit the road - that was the time of the last losing season).

I don't mind this "defense first" philosophy now in November if it lays a foundation for jan/feb/mar and the transition game develops.

Give it time.
 
Just looked into this, and unless I missed something, this weekend was the first instance in the history of the program.

Edit: According to Prez in the scores thread, Plattsburgh's SID came to the same conclusion.

I have been following the redbirds since 1980 and couldn't remember it ever happening (but may have missed something while in the army after Hoar hit the road - that was the time of the last losing season).

I don't mind this "defense first" philosophy now in November if it lays a foundation for jan/feb/mar and the transition game develops.

Give it time.
 
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I respect that, but it's definitely not working for us. Plattsburgh State hasn't even scored a goal in the last 125+ minutes of play...
A Team must have closers / finishers / snipers to score, I didn't see any on the team that played the last two nights. They generated tons ... well sufficient numbers of chances, but had no one to put the puck in the net.
 
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A Team must have closers / finishers / snipers to score, I didn't see any on the team that played the last two nights. They generated tons ... well sufficient numbers of chances, but had no one to put the puck in the net.

It is very well known that it is defense first here ,that doesnt exactly attract free wheeling offensive types.

An example is the fact that Bob has been verbally bashing Farnan on pregame and BTB since he had the Hat Trick versus Brockport . He sat him against Middlebury . To score goals you have to be opportunistic ,if the only way to playing time is by playing defense first you really focus alot less on opportunities.

I respect Bob and his record speaks for itself . But couldn't we have one offensive minded line paired with the best defensive tandom. It's risk reward but this team has some skills ,so why is it the first team to be shut out in back to back games ?
 
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Panthers, Cardinals tie in PrimeLink {Article from the Plattsburgh Press-Republican - Nov. 27, 2011}

MIDDLEBURY, Vt. — The Cardinals left the PrimeLink Great Northern Shootout without a goal, but they did salvage a point.

Middlebury and Plattsburgh State had plenty of chances in Saturday's third-place game, but they ended it with a scoreless tie at Kenyon Arena. The sixth-ranked Cardinals didn't light the lamp in 125 minutes of play at the annual men's hockey tournament.

Norwich defeated Elmira 5-2 in the championship game to claim its second title in three years.

Plattsburgh's Josh Leis stopped 26 shots to record his third career shutout. Middlebury's Nick BonDurant, playing first game of the season, had 19 saves.

Plattsburgh defenseman Paul Puglisi was named to the All-Tournament team.

Coach Bob Emery said the longer the Cardinals (5-2-1) went without scoring, the more frustrated they got. At one point late in the game, Jared Docking returned the bench and slammed his stick down, and he wasn't the only player to end a shift visibly annoyed.

"There was a lot of frustration on the bench," Emery said. "I give the guys credit for really, really working hard. We didn't play as smart as we can play. But I give them credit for working hard.

"But the frustration, we gotta somehow put that on the back burner."

The Cardinals had two close calls in their own zone the middle of the third period. They sent the puck back toward their open net as Leis was heading off the ice on a delayed penalty, and a Middlebury player tapped it in at the last second. The goal didn't count because of the penalty.

During Plattsburgh's ensuing power play, Leis came way out of his crease to play the puck but went down. Middlebury's Charlie Strauss raced to the puck, but couldn't get it cleanly across to his open teammate.

Plattsburgh had a great opportunity when the puck came to Ryan Craig in the slot and Jordan Gidaro was there to whack at the rebound a couple times. But BonDurant turned all three shots away, and he later denied Vick Schlueter on a breakaway in the final seconds of regulation.

The goalies were busy in the five-minute overtime period, as well.

"I think there were some real good chances both ways, and I think both teams worked real hard, especially rebounding off the disappointment from (Friday) night," Middlebury coach Bill Beaney said. "It was a good college hockey game. Lots of good things happened."

The Panthers rang a shot off the post while shorthanded in the first period, and the Cardinals sent a puck skipping through the crease in the middle of the second.

Plattsburgh went into the weekend averaging 4.67 goals per night, and Emery couldn't recall his team being shut out in back-to-back games in the past.

"Plattsburgh teams of late have had the characteristics of not having a lot of goal scoring, and I just hope this team isn't like one of those teams," Emery said. "We stress defense, but if we score goals at the pace we scored these last couple games, we're going to really have to really stress defensive hockey."

The Cardinals lost to the top-ranked team in Division III, Norwich, Friday before taking on the 11th-ranked Panthers.

"Well, it was our two toughest games of the year, no doubt about it," Emery said. "We learned a lot about ourselves playing those two teams. Those two teams are going to be playing in March, and we have to find ways to beat those teams, no doubt."

After No. 10 Elmira (5-3) struck 41 seconds into the championship game, Norwich tallied three straight power-play goals to take the lead for good. Doug Lindensmith tied it at 13:05 of the first, and Pier-Olivier Cotnoir scored twice in the final five minutes of the period.

The Soaring Eagles got within one late in the first, but Kyle Thomas put it back to two in the third before Corey Hale added an empty-netter.

Cotnoir was named the tournament's MVP.
 
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It is very well known that it is defense first here ,that doesnt exactly attract free wheeling offensive types.

An example is the fact that Bob has been verbally bashing Farnan on pregame and BTB since he had the Hat Trick versus Brockport . He sat him against Middlebury . To score goals you have to be opportunistic ,if the only way to playing time is by playing defense first you really focus alot less on opportunities.

I respect Bob and his record speaks for itself . But couldn't we have one offensive minded line paired with the best defensive tandom. It's risk reward but this team has some skills ,so why is it the first team to be shut out in back to back games ?

Pretty much what I was trying to say. I know Plattsburgh didnt manage a ton of shots on goal in the third....but when they pushed the play they skated right with Norwich. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. You have to have faith in your goaltending and push the envelope. Like Herb Brooks said when playing the CCCP ....we don't sit back and let them come at us, we take it to them. Playing defense does not mean going into a shell.....we dont have a Kyle Thomas on our team that can take anything and make it into something. Plattsburgh scores goals from hard work and attacking.
 
A Team must have closers / finishers / snipers to score, I didn't see any on the team that played the last two nights. They generated tons ... well sufficient numbers of chances, but had no one to put the puck in the net.

You're absolutely right about that.
 
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I thought the boys worked very hard in both games. If you were there, you would know that the game against Norwich was highly a defensive one by both teams. When you see 17 to 12 in total shots, that tells you something! I didn't think the Cards played that badly. A couple of mistakes cost them. Norwich is an outstanding team and we knew it would be hard to go in there and take 2. Saturday, again,very tight hockey against a very good Middlebury team. We came away with a tie. Not that bad. Look who you are playing on the big ice! I'm disappointed, sure, but it was some real good hockey to watch and I thought we really held our own, considering. Goals?,frustration,yes. But I don't think I'll really start to worry about that just yet. Let's not jump the gun quite so early everyone. Congrats to Norwich on the tourney win. Primelink continues to be the premier tourney and Middlebury did an excellent job of hosting too.
 
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