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Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

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Birds said:
I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. "Mongr. Brucey","rivals Ahmadinejod", "riding the coattails of others, mascarading as an A.D.", implications about selling fishing supplies, negative remarks made relating to his having a religious degree, lacks competency, etc. I find these comments, remarks, whatever you choose to call them, very derogatory, and unfair to this individual but according to you these are all based on fact. Next time I post , it will be related to strictly hockey and nothing more.
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Alas, if that is what you are referring too, they are not meant to by derogatory, but descriptive. It is true that I have a problem with his methodology and question his competency for the position. That said I have seen NOTHING that indicates he is a bad person, or has ever shown intentional ill will. Also, I do think "riding on the coattails of others", is too strong, and I apologize for saying it, as it implies intent to do so. I do not believe it is his intent, in fact, I strongly believe he tries his best, albeit, unsuccessful to meet my expectations. I do believe, that much of his "success" is actually happenstance - being in the right place at the right time, and not so much due to skills and/or competence - and this is NOT to say that I think he is clueless, I have every reason believe he is a very educated and talented individual, I just think he is in position that he is not best suited for.

That said, I believe it is best that we agree too disagree, I sincerely respect your rights to respect and look up to him, and do not think that anyone who respects him has anything to be ashamed of, but as an AD, I have very little respect for him, but was very satisfied with his statements on Herb's death, I certainly couldn't have put it better.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
And again, what's that have to do with anything?
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If I have to explain it I will.
People throwing things on the ice most likely would ignore noisemaker rules as well. Both could interfer with play, one with serious injury resulting.
 
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Please Jerry, they have little to nothing to do with each other, and until Plattsburgh starting putting a clampdown on the tennis balls it was ONLY tennis balls being thrown onto the ice. As soon as they started searching for tennis balls people started bringing in other things, so your point is moot. I'm sure you use hand sanitizer every time you touch a doorknob to help prevent the H1N1 flu, or maybe everyone should be patted down at every rink to make sure their not bringing in a gun or a terrorist bomb. I’m sure you have been to every Plattsburgh home game to find that the noisemakers were only played/blown whatever when the whistle blew 99% of the time. The issue was noisemakers had been allowed and encouraged, and by the rule are allowed until a few suit and ties came to a game and changed it. It was bad enough Plattsburgh went with the less fan environment, comfy hand warming seat, cathedral setting with the new arena…exactly what every new arena has become.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
...I’m sure you have been to every Plattsburgh home game to find that the noisemakers were only played/blown whatever when the whistle blew 99% of the time. The issue was noisemakers had been allowed and encouraged, and by the rule are allowed until a few suit and ties came to a game and changed it. It was bad enough Plattsburgh went with the less fan environment, comfy hand warming seat, cathedral setting with the new arena…exactly what every new arena has become.
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Alas, that is the issue (BOLD above) - It is not a matter of changing the rules to make hockey more like baseball or basketball, where fans do there best to distract the players, or football where flag waving indigents try to distract the kicker. No, it is about working within the existing rules, to allow those noise makers already sanctioned by the NCAA, into the arena and used within the existing NCAA policies, to allow the fans to be sports fans, and create excitement and enthusiasm. Last year, a first timer attending a game at Stafford would have been hard pressed to imagine they were attending a matchup involving one of the NCAA DIII's top teams. The atmosphere in a hockey arena should not be the same as a lecture hall.
 
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Does anyone really think a noisemaker affects the players' ability to play? I mean that is stupid to think that the guys on the ice are affected by someone blowing a horn. I say let people blow their horns whenever they want! They pay for their ticket and should be allow to emphasize their freedom of speech. :D
 
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Directly? No. But you ask any player if they'd rather play in front of 2500 fans who sit on their rears 95% of the game, or 500 fans who are standing, making noise, and into the game and see what they say....
 
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sec39fan said:
Does anyone really think a noisemaker affects the players' ability to play? I mean that is stupid to think that the guys on the ice are affected by someone blowing a horn. I say let people blow their horns whenever they want! They pay for their ticket and should be allow to emphasize their freedom of speech. :D
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Ignoring the fact that noisemaker policies have nothing to do with freedom of speech, I will say this:

On a threat scale, noisemakers are about on par with the ever-present dangers presented by championship banners at <s>Frozen Fours</s> Championship Events.
 
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Matthew Webb said:
Ignoring the fact that noisemaker policies have nothing to do with freedom of speech, I will say this:

On a threat scale, noisemakers are about on par with the ever-present dangers presented by championship banners at <s>Frozen Fours</s> Championship Events.
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Note, according to An interdisciplinary education project partially funded by the American Bar Association, Commission on College and University Legal Studies through the ABA Fund for Justice and Education:

The word speech in the First Amendment has been extended to a generous sense of "expression" -- verbal, non-verbal, visual, symbolic.

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the word "speech," though a long succession of court decisions has expanded this concept far beyond ordinary verbal communication. Protected expression now includes such non-verbal expression as wearing a symbol on one's clothing, dance movements, and a silent candlelight vigil. "
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This would add some plausibility to sec39fan's statement.

Note, however, that the First Amendment clause likely being referenced is "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech.", and applies to abridgement of speech by Congress, and not necessarily just anyone.

That said, any entity accepting Federal funds, becomes an agent of Congress, and hence bound by the First Amendment. There are exceptions, as noted in the document above, such as Causing panic or "fighting words -- those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. Obscenity, etc -- but clappers or thunder sticks – hummm....

Note also, “Offense”, that is “speech which is merely offensive to others” likely the most arguable justification for banning noise makers, has been rejected by American courts as a exception to the First Amendment.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Directly? No. But you ask any player if they'd rather play in front of 2500 fans who sit on their rears 95% of the game, or 500 fans who are standing, making noise, and into the game and see what they say....
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I agree with you 100%. It is a stupid rule, thats all I can really say.
 
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Not only will the 2010 NCAA Division III Men’s Ice Hockey Championship be held in Lake Placid, Plattsburgh State University of New York will be co-host again, along with the Olympic Regional Development Authority. The event will be conducted March 19-20 (Fri-Sat) or March 20-21 (Sat-Sun), depending on the television broadcast schedule.:cool:
 
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norm1909 said:
Not only will the 2010 NCAA Division III Men’s Ice Hockey Championship be held in Lake Placid, Plattsburgh State University of New York will be co-host again, along with the Olympic Regional Development Authority. The event will be conducted March 19-20 (Fri-Sat) or March 20-21 (Sat-Sun), depending on the television broadcast schedule.:cool:
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The Frozen Frontier on 7/13 said:
SUNY-Plattsburgh and the Olympic Regional Development Authority (ORDA) will once again co-host the event
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:p. I will admit I had to go back last night and correct myself on the dates. One of the earlier releases (no longer available) had specified 6/20-21...
 
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Matthew Webb said:
:p. I will admit I had to go back last night and correct myself on the dates. One of the earlier releases (no longer available) had specified 6/20-21...
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We have our block of rooms reserved just down the street from Wiseguys....
 
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norm1909 said:
The event will be conducted March 19-20 (Fri-Sat) or March 20-21 (Sat-Sun), depending on the television broadcast schedule.:cool:
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Norm - The Placid Olympic site has the event listed on 19/20. Any idea how/when the date decision will be made?

Edit: It appears as though the Alpine championships will be held during the same time. Should make lodging eventful.
 
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sorry guys ive been away for the summer and have been busy, so im lagging on the 2009 plattsburgh news. My question that i have is if the stafford recieved any "upgrades" during the offseason. such as the "video scoreboards" and balcony seating? yes/no?
 
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from what I understand the new scoreboards are in, not sure about the video board parts though.... and the balcony seating is a proposed idea, as of right now though I believe it's just an idea.
 
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Heard a rumor that some of the new seating was specifically for Plattsburgh fans that are on, shall we say the hefty side. Any word on that ?
 
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zamboney said:
Heard a rumor that some of the new seating was specifically for Plattsburgh fans that are on, shall we say the hefty side. Any word on that ?
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The largest seats are 22" wide (rare), with 19" being the majority. There are several ADA spots along the top, to accommodate those who may need there own seating.
 
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