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Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Brown went from NCAA to WHL. Thats weird

Obviously, Major Junior hockey was held in higher regard than NCAA D3 hockey in the late 70's early 80's. Brown's numbers reflect that too.

I'm kinda surprised Plattsburgh would admit someone into their hall of fame who only played his Freshman season with the team...
 
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Obviously, Major Junior hockey was held in higher regard than NCAA D3 hockey in the late 70's early 80's. Brown's numbers reflect that too.

I'm kinda surprised Plattsburgh would admit someone into their hall of fame who only played his Freshman season with the team...

Though hockeydb only lists his Plattsburgh stats for 1979-80, he actually played from 1977-79. Note, his 1977-78 stats are: GP: 22, G: 35, A: 51, TP 86, PPG: 3.91, placing him in a tie for 15th on the all time NCAA DIII Offense Season Record List (with fellow Hall of Fame inductee Dave Piromalli) and 7th all time NCAA DIII Points Per Game list.

Some of Danny Brown's Records as a Cardinal:
7th for Single Season Assists: 52 ('77-78)
10th for Most Goals during the Regular Season: 31 ('78-79)
17th for All Time Goals Scored: 66 ('77-'79)

Off topic, but Herb Hammond was Head Coach at Plattsburgh for only 2 years (1980-82), during which the Cardinals played 73 games (52-17-4) - just 13 less than the Cardinals have played in the past THREE years.
 
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I hardly see any purpose in continuing this kind of comment. We have heard enough of this from last year. Could we possibly start this next season out without such nonsense?

While I certainly agree we heard enough about it last year and though things haven’t changed, we don't have to be reminded of the Ahmadinejad protégé we have masquerading as an Athletic Director. It was nevertheless, my sincere reply to the question below.

From what I have heard it is a very somber crowd. Not enough students in attendance perhaps?
 
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As noted by jerrynu26, at $110 they are comparable to Norwich ($130), which also utilizes Reserved Seats. The $110 does represents a premium over taking your chances on the day of the game. Prior to going to exclusively reserved seats, you could purchase a general admission season ticket for $55 (which represented a slight savings over purchasing the tickets the day of the game - BUT - capacity was MUCH higher back then).



Plattsburgh's 2008-09 attendance averaged 1,672, this is in excess of 84% of capacity (Note: Attendance is based on ticket sales, and as such, all season ticket holders are assumed to be in attendance, even if, in actuality they are not).



The 1,924 in attandance for the Dec. 5, 2008 matchup with Oswego represented a Sellout.



Thank You.But like what Henry said,Why aren't their more students at Platty's games? Woulden't it be a plus to have rowdy fans,like Utica does? With Rowdy fans and Platty's beastly team,I beat they'll go undefeated this time around.
 
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Thank You.But like what Henry said,Why aren't their more students at Platty's games? .

Part of the problem is the long (and cold) walk from campus the Stafford Ice Arena. Plattsburgh has a small campus and doesn't really have a proper shuttle service to the arena.
 
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Part of the problem is the long (and cold) walk from campus the Stafford Ice Arena. Plattsburgh has a small campus and doesn't really have a proper shuttle service to the arena.

I can add, that thanks the student activity (SA) fee, students are provided FREE tickets, and sections A, B and half of C are reserved for them. This is good and bad, good because the free tickets help encourage them to come, but bad, in that it segregates them from the rest of the arena, and unless you are sitting near them (as I am), the noise they can, within the draconian rules make, becomes muted.

The official student ticket policy:

2009-10 Men's Hockey Student Tickets

SUNY-Plattsburgh students with valid College identification can pick up their free tickets at the Angell College Center Information Desk on Tuesday at noon to Thursday at noon for games taking place from Tuesday to Monday. Student tickets are limited and available on a first-come, first-serve basis. Students will need to present their ticket and ID to gain admission into the game.

Remaining student tickets will be released and sold to the general public.

Also, I should note, College Auxiliary Services (CAS), a independent not-for-profit organization, DOES provide very good shuttle service to the area malls and shopping centers, but does not provide transportation from the main campus to the field house, which is several blocks from campus. CAS also runs the College Store and the souvenir booth in the field house during the first two periods of the games.
 
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I don't think Smith was ever really the same after a cheap shot from a certain captain of a SUNYAC rival.

Are there any videos of this available? I know he did it but I've never seen the play.
 
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Part of the problem is the long (and cold) walk from campus the Stafford Ice Arena. Plattsburgh has a small campus and doesn't really have a proper shuttle service to the arena.

That plus I think the makeup of Plattsburgh's student body is such that there's just not a whole hell of a lot of interest in the hockey team.
 
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That plus I think the makeup of Plattsburgh's student body is such that there's just not a whole hell of a lot of interest in the hockey team.

With NY's population based in Metro-NYC and Long Island, I can say that as a student there in the 1980's, the Miracle on Ice, success of NY Islanders (the Rangers weren't too bad then either) along with coverage of the new kid on the block - Wayne Gretzky certainly made hockey much more top of mind than it is today, oh yeah there was some novice :p head coach - Herb Hammond.

Nevertheless, I do believe given the history and consistent success of the Cardinal's - both the men's, and new top caliber women's team, Msgr. Brucey could easily make headway on improving student participation, if he cared - or it could simply be a lack of competency.
 
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With NY's population based in Metro-NYC and Long Island, I can say that as a student there in the 1980's, the Miracle on Ice, success of NY Islanders (the Rangers weren't too bad then either) along with coverage of the new kid on the block - Wayne Gretzky certainly made hockey much more top of mind than it is today, oh yeah there was some novice :p head coach - Herb Hammond.

Nevertheless, I do believe given the history and consistent success of the Cardinal's - both the men's, and new top caliber women's team, Msgr. Brucey could easily make headway on improving student participation, if he cared - or it could simply be a lack of competency.

No doubt. Plattsburgh enjoyed a great deal of student support in those days as well. Hopefully its a cyclical thing and someday they come back with a solid show of support. I know I'm not supposed to throw this in the mix, but the students might have more fun if they could make some artificial noise in the Msgr's hallowed new hall.
 
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Nevertheless, I do believe given the history and consistent success of the Cardinal's - both the men's, and new top caliber women's team, Msgr. Brucey could easily make headway on improving student participation, if he cared - or it could simply be a lack of competency.

While what I gather from anecdotal evidence and apparent personal convictions would seem to confirm that Delventhal is not the easiest guy in the world to deal with - I've only had a few very brief conversations with him, so I can't really speak from my own experience - I find it a bit of a stretch for anyone to proclaim his incompetence in light of the current state of Plattsburgh State Athletics on the whole. The department has seen more success and infrastructural improvement on his watch than those of the previous few ADs combined.

As for student participation, you gave some very good reasons why it was better in the early days of the program, but if you're going to hold Delventhal accountable for its anemic state, you have to do the same for the entire chain of departmental leadership stretching back to the beginning of the 90s. The program-best crowds of the early 90s were no more student-supported than those of the present day; there was simply a larger community fanbase to better hide the students' apathy. Delventhal's inability to remedy the situation is certainly a disappointment, but it's not like he personally started the problem, or should even reasonably be expected to solve it given its persistence over the years.

Part of the responsibility of an AD is to maintain a respectful, productive relationship between the department and its fanbase. Insofar as men's hockey is concerned, at least, Delventhal doesn't seem to be promoting this relationship very effectively. I just think it's disingenuous to use this to dismiss the significant positive impact he's made in the broader scope of Cardinal Athletics.
 
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Part of the responsibility of an AD is to maintain a respectful, productive relationship between the department and its fanbase. Insofar as men's hockey is concerned, at least, Delventhal doesn't seem to be promoting this relationship very effectively. I just think it's disingenuous to use this to dismiss the significant positive impact he's made in the broader scope of Cardinal Athletics.

Competence is measured by more than ones academic accomplishments, a minister is a leader, and certainly Brucey’s ministerial studies included courses in leadership, administration and management. But competence also involves the willingness to enlist the assistance and guidance of ones stakeholders, in my personal experience, he as acted like a belligerent, know-it-all and you know nothing jerk. One would think that his years as a player and a coach would have taught him to appreciate athletic supporters, versus treating them with a “consider yourself lucky, I even let watch the game attitude”. To say I am disgusted with his actions so far, would be fair, I also find it difficult to find any area where he deserves credit for positive accomplishments. Yes, we have a nice logo’ed bus, but had the timing not been right and it not been convenient for Premier, I doubt that would have happened. Yes, the field house has been renovated, but that was part of a five year plan began while he was still selling fishing supplies. IMHO, Brucey has been the recipient of appearing to have made accomplishments, that really belong to someone else, the outstanding coaches and athletes he is so fortunate to ride the coattails of, I believe, someday, and probably not too far away, as I believe happened at RIT and Union, he will find it in his best interest to move on.

Some realistic ideas to boast student attendance:

Work with College Auxiliary Services (CAS) to award a $25 bookstore gift card to a lucky student spectator during each game, students already have to show their ID with their tickets, keeping them separate and doing a drawing, IMHO would spread the word on campus.

Arrange with CAS to modify its mall/shopping shuttle runs to include a couple drop off’s and pickups after the game. Yes, you can not predict when the games will end, but I am certain there are ways to contact the shuttle drivers, such as two-way radios or cell phones.

Have Burghy pick a student fan and give them a small prize, such as a tee-shirt or other item from the souvenir booth.

Begin promoting the free tickets and the program during the student summer orientation program.

Offer students a chance to pick-up free tickets for their entire family – not necessarily for every game, but at least one per semester, yes, there would need to be some logistics to prevent abuse, such as requiring names be written on the tickets when they are picked up, and ID be shown at the door, I am sure this is a workable program.

Sponsor/subsidize spectator buses, perhaps using some of the money from the $400 VIP ticket sales, this, as with any startup might take time to catch on, but IMHO, within a year or so, with a consistent, stable and affordable program, would be successful.

These are just some quick ideas I came up with in about 30 minutes, I am sure there are many ideas available, if he simply tried/cared.
 
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Just a few Questions about Platty.

Why are Platty season tickets so expensive? At Utica their only $40(seat reserved for season and post-season home games).What was Platty's attendence average last season? And what's the capacity of Platty's rink? Thanks!

Forty bones for the season including playoffs plus a few cold ones?!! You, sir, have without a doubt achieved the height of good college hockey living. We in Plattsburgh, on the other hand, have Fridays and Saturdays in the summer standing in line hoping to get a shiny red seat or a cup holder. Oh, and PS, you're balance is due in full and its more than Pioneers#1 paid for the whole year. Yours truly, The Rev. MSGR Brucie
 
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So many things, but I'll just address one.
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Sponsor/subsidize spectator buses, perhaps using some of the money from the $400 VIP ticket sales, this, as with any startup might take time to catch on, but IMHO, within a year or so, with a consistent, stable and affordable program, would be successful.

(I'll assume you are referring to student spectator buses, since the rest of your post dealt with student attendence issues.)
I'm not sure it funding spectator buses would be a wise investment for the athletic department,a nd should come from student life (or whatever it is called at Plattsburgh). Bus costs being what they are, its a quick way to lose thousands of dollars from an athletic budget that must already be stretched as much as it can.
Forty bones for the season including playoffs plus a few cold ones?!! You, sir, have without a doubt achieved the height of good college hockey living. We in Plattsburgh, on the other hand, have Fridays and Saturdays in the summer standing in line hoping to get a shiny red seat or a cup holder. Oh, and PS, you're balance is due in full and its more than Pioneers#1 paid for the whole year. Yours truly, The Rev. MSGR Brucie

Looking at some championship hardware must be worth something, no?
 
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So many things, but I'll just address one.

(I'll assume you are referring to student spectator buses, since the rest of your post dealt with student attendence issues.)
I'm not sure it funding spectator buses would be a wise investment for the athletic department,a nd should come from student life (or whatever it is called at Plattsburgh). Bus costs being what they are, its a quick way to lose thousands of dollars from an athletic budget that must already be stretched as much as it can.

I totally agree the athletic department should not be the primary fund provider, but I do believe they could be the leader (particularly since no one else has). Funding should be available for numerous sources, in addition to the Student Association (SA) who collect a student activity fee for purposes such as these, there is Cartwells (exclusive campus meal service provider and operator of the sports concessions), CAS (not-for-profit campus based organization whose mission includes tasks such as this), the booster club, and I am sure area businesses could also be convinced to provide some of their co-op and other advertising revenue, and of course it doesn't have to be provided free. Priority seating should go to Plattsburgh students, but excess capacity, could be sold to the general population - perhaps, season reserved seating, at a significant price (survey determined feasibility) could be sold to anyone, and this could provide funding as well. I am very confident it is a workable project.
 
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