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Penn State's Impact on Women's Hockey

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Given Penn State going from club to varsity in 2012, how many freshman would they be looking to bring in for 2012 and what percentage of all available scholly dollars will they look to spend? Will it be a four year transition to a full varsity roster, carrying club level players until the last freshman graduates?
 
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If Lindenwood is any indication, a large contingent of freshman balanced with a group of the more experience returning players from the previous team. If your D is a senior this your I would give them a hard look. Lots of play time if she is OK with being on loosing end for a while as they build their program.
 
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You'll want to understand how they are going to fund the startup. Whether they are fully funding the 18 scholarships right away or building to that amount over time. That has a significant impact on the type of players they can attract and/or how quickly they would turn players. Start-ups are stressful due to the lack of success. Syracuse, North Dakota, probably others out there where you could talk to players to see how fulfilling that experience was.
 
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Cali said:
Given Penn State going from club to varsity in 2012, how many freshman would they be looking to bring in for 2012 and what percentage of all available scholly dollars will they look to spend? Will it be a four year transition to a full varsity roster, carrying club level players until the last freshman graduates?
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Gotta figure they will follow what has transpired recently with BU, and Syracuse. I would expect they will have a mixture of recruits, transfers and a few holdovers from the club team that provide depth. Of the recruits there will be a mix of those on full rides, partials, and academic scholarships so that the $$$ are spread out.

Depending on the type of player they are able to attract, it is unlikely that more than five would be full rides out of the gate. Most likely less. With any luck the coach can attract some high quality players that do very well in the classroom and the scholarship dollars can be switch from athletic to academic, freeing him up to offer more scholarships and build his roster quickly over the first few seasons.
 
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Does this weeks mess at PSU cause further ripples through the athletic dept? Good? Bad? No effect?
 
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giwan said:
Does this weeks mess at PSU cause further ripples through the athletic dept? Good? Bad? No effect?
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The media is running far and deep with this one. Their reputation could get totally destroyed, if it hasn't already. Tough way to get a program off the ground. Big trouble at PSU!
 
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The board of trustees, if it has any sense, will clean house in the athletic department administration and then move ahead. I don't see how any of it affects the new hockey programs or any sports beyond football. A new administration isn't going to screw up an $80 million donation.
 
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JosephPSchmoe said:
The board of trustees, if it has any sense, will clean house in the athletic department administration and then move ahead. I don't see how any of it affects the new hockey programs or any sports beyond football. A new administration isn't going to screw up an $80 million donation.
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You would think a house clean is coming but donations could drop. Not enough money to field the team? I wouldn't think the $80 mil would be in jeopardy but who knows.
 
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JosephPSchmoe said:
The board of trustees, if it has any sense, will clean house in the athletic department administration and then move ahead. I don't see how any of it affects the new hockey programs or any sports beyond football. A new administration isn't going to screw up an $80 million donation.
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I wonder if the donation would have been made if all this was going on at the time? :)
 
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CanHockGuy said:
The media is running far and deep with this one.
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Uh...well, it is a pretty big story considering the alleged incidents occurring over a considerable length of time, and at some point with the knowledge of allegations by one of the legends among division I college football coaches at a storied institution. :)
 
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I think it's "too early to tell" how it will affect PSU over the longer term. We do know that football is THE revenue generator and it's certainly very possible that the athletic department's gross revenues will take a hit, at least over the near term. But I agree with JPS above - they will clean house (hopefully immediately) of anyone and everyone that had anything to do with this whole SICK episode and then they'll be able to move on.

But, as to how many would be future donors this might affect, I don't think anyone really knows yet.
 
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Let me first say that what has happened at State College, PA it is sad and will far reaching implications for all sports. The $$ is committed to the hockey program, but are the players? Look at Lindenwood and the beating they have taken this year. Penn State’s club team tied Chatham twice? Could not even beat the Cougars? Even once? Then this other stuff?

it maybe the football program, but it has fingers that go into the other sports…I am waiting to see the imact this will have.
 
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Sorry mess. Huge sorry- more than Duke (men's lacrosse); most I can recall. Too, is J.P. attempting to dictate his departure terms here? Dictate it to University? If so and it seems such, is indication where program was, he was- and is thus, 'appropriate', even, action by coach. He only further doing what he has been trained/lead...to do (all along as football $ runs the show, college perhaps)- be in charge. And surely as grass is green, disaster touches on issue of tail (money) wagging dog (colleges and universities) via college sports. Esp. football. A la Syr. and Pitt. Often in NY Times we see Pete Thamel pursuing. Others in USA Today. Is no case for such in women's hockey (ice or field), ultimate frisbee, sand volleyball, etc. Greek ideal of athletic competition practically (totally) lost. It's money that matters in the USA! Can we regain the something lost?
 
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brookyone said:
Uh...well, it is a pretty big story considering the alleged incidents occurring over a considerable length of time, and at some point with the knowledge of allegations by one of the legends among division I college football coaches at a storied institution. :)
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What is the "Duh....well" thing about. Ya....it's a biggy, as big as it gets probably. At least that's what I thought I was saying. Deep into their campus and far into others. MUCH will come of this.
 
NoGo said:
Let me first say that what has happened at State College, PA it is sad and will far reaching implications for all sports. The $$ is committed to the hockey program, but are the players? Look at Lindenwood and the beating they have taken this year. Penn State’s club team tied Chatham twice? Could not even beat the Cougars? Even once? Then this other stuff?

it maybe the football program, but it has fingers that go into the other sports…I am waiting to see the imact this will have.
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The Penn St club team tied a NCAA d3 team. How is that a bad thing? The recruits there now were what they had. The coach wasnt even hired unti May. I think next year's recruiting class and beyond will be different.
 
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NoGo said:
Let me first say that what has happened at State College, PA it is sad and will far reaching implications for all sports. The $$ is committed to the hockey program, but are the players? Look at Lindenwood and the beating they have taken this year. Penn State’s club team tied Chatham twice? Could not even beat the Cougars? Even once? Then this other stuff?

it maybe the football program, but it has fingers that go into the other sports…I am waiting to see the imact this will have.
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I haven't heard anything about this whole thing being connected to any other sport at Penn State. The football season's almost over, but the board of trustees has to forget sports and do what's right. What Paterno is doing is asking the board to at least give him the dignity of leaving on his own terms and not fire him before the season ends. He'll be extremely lucky if they agree to that. He may be a god on campus, but he blew this big time. Big time.

The Penn State club team has nothing to do with the Division I teams they'll put together.
 
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D2D said:
I think it's "too early to tell" how it will affect PSU over the longer term. We do know that football is THE revenue generator and it's certainly very possible that the athletic department's gross revenues will take a hit, at least over the near term. But I agree with JPS above - they will clean house (hopefully immediately) of anyone and everyone that had anything to do with this whole SICK episode and then they'll be able to move on.

But, as to how many would be future donors this might affect, I don't think anyone really knows yet.
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I think the couple that made the donation to set up Penn State hockey are also owners or part owners of the Buffalo Sabres. Not entirely sure about that but I thought I read somewhere that they are affiliated with the Sabres.

I agree that it is impossible to know what the future holds as far as donations are concerned. This is an opportunity for the hockey program to help rehab the image and perception of the University by conducting themselves with class and dignity both on and off the ice. I wish them the best.
 
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If a person is witness to a crime; does nothing; then admits it; what then? Quickly announce your retirement, and hope it will go away like before? Should a man of his stature be expected to know better; should he be charged? He'll now be forced to speak up to protect his arse or his dignity, and so will a lot of other people. This will get ugly. PSU damage control alert!
 
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CanHockGuy said:
If a person is witness to a crime; does nothing; then admits it; what then? Quickly announce your retirement, and hope it will go away like before? Should a man of his stature be expected to know better;
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JP, or anyone in a similar position should certainly know better and I'd have to say, he should absolutely be held accountable IMO. Don't believe he actually witnessed the crime though. Since he apparently became aware of the crime and failed to notify law enforcement, just like anyone else who had knowledge of the allegations, he's on the hook. Since he apparently admitted his own huge "mistake" (I didn't hear his admission personally) which could very possibly implicate him criminally as well, I'm not sure what he can say to preserve his dignity or cover his rear...or escape more serious repercussions than retirement.
 
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