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Penn State - Division I Hockey 2.0

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aparch said:
He's technically correct. Penn State is in the middle of the 2009 Stanley Cup Champion Pittsburgh Penguins, and the 2010 Stanley Cup Finalist Philadelphia Flyers. And both those teams have great talent, right?
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Not to mention that a Pennsylvania based team has been in 7 straight AHL finals (and won 4 of them) - Hershey winning the last 2, plus Wilkes-Barre/Scranton and Philly being in there...
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
This blog from about 20 months ago noted how far Pennsylvania is behind even New York.

http://www.fromtherink.com/2008/12/11/689327/where-nhlers-come-from-new
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I don't think anyone has ever said Pennsylvania is a "great" hockey state, but it certainly is a growing one (as noted, the recent NHL and AHL success). As far as growing, New York has 10 D-I teams, and a ton of D-III teams as well (with a history dating back 110+ years). Pennsylvania has a failed D-I (Penn) and Mercyhurst, at 10 years D-I (and 21 years overall) + Robert Morris at 6 years total.

Even still, New York only wins the NHL comparison 23-6. Not all that impressive in that context, now is it?
 
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When you combine the influence of Sidney Crosby in the Pittsburgh area plus recent success of Flyers, recent surge in hockey popularity, and sheer number of people in PA you will see a major uptick in the number of high quality hockey players PA produces in the next 5-20 years.
 
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CHFAN222 said:
When you combine the influence of Sidney Crosby in the Pittsburgh area plus recent success of Flyers, recent surge in hockey popularity, and sheer number of people in PA you will see a major uptick in the number of high quality hockey players PA produces in the next 5-20 years.
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Right. Just like the huge influx of players from Southern California because of Gretzky.

Please. :rolleyes:
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Right. Just like the huge influx of players from Southern California because of Gretzky.

Please. :rolleyes:
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To be fair:

http://www.fromtherink.com/2008/12/18/696407/where-nhlers-come-from-ala

There has been a noticeable spike in NHLers coming from California since Grezky came to LA. Obviously, its stupid to put that all on Gretzky (just like its stupid to put any increase in interest in Pennsylvania all on Crosby), but its a fair point to observe that the talent coming from there has increased in that time.
 
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Spydey629 said:
This writer would apparently beg to differ:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...Div-I-program-strengthens-NCAA-landscape.html
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Does that writer know anything about college hockey? Because someone writes an article they actually have knowledge ont he topic they are writing about? Does he realize players like Ryan Malone left home at age 14 to play prep school hockey? If they would have stayed they never would have had a chance to make the NHL?
 
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CHFAN222 said:
When you combine the influence of Sidney Crosby in the Pittsburgh area plus recent success of Flyers, recent surge in hockey popularity, and sheer number of people in PA you will see a major uptick in the number of high quality hockey players PA produces in the next 5-20 years.
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I love the way the sport seems to be growing. Would love to see the PAC 8 go to division I. Also would like to see the USHL expand out of the midwest to the east coast and maybe even to the west coast.

The recent success of the Blackhawks is huge boost to the sport, especially in Illinois. Blackhawks sold out the United Center weeks ago for their first training camp session to start the 2010-2011 season. http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=538037&navid=DL|CHI|home

Selling out a 22,000 seat arens for a practice!!!
How's that for an increase in popularity!!!
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Right. Just like the huge influx of players from Southern California because of Gretzky.

Please. :rolleyes:
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Actually, much of the best talent in the United States comes out of California right now. Whether that can be attributed to Gretzky or simply the NHL expanding into non-traditional hockey markets is debatable but the facts are that some of the best players in the country are from California.
 
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SoCalSiouxFan said:
I love the way the sport seems to be growing. Would love to see the PAC 8 go to division I. Also would like to see the USHL expand out of the midwest to the east coast and maybe even to the west coast.

The recent success of the Blackhawks is huge boost to the sport, especially in Illinois. Blackhawks sold out the United Center weeks ago for their first training camp session to start the 2010-2011 season. http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=538037&navid=DL|CHI|home

Selling out a 22,000 seat arens for a practice!!!
How's that for an increase in popularity!!!
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It was $5 per person, and you missed this quote: "The building wasn't full..."


It's a shame that come October, the four time champions Chicago Wolves won't be able to draw more than 4k for a Wednesday night home game.
 
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aparch said:
It's a shame that come October, the four time champions Chicago Wolves won't be able to draw more than 4k for a Wednesday night home game.
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Two things on this. First, why is it a shame? And second, I don't think it will happen. The 'Hawks have brought attention to hockey in the Chicago market. There will still be people that can't afford to go to 'Hawks games (just like there are people that can't afford Cubs and Sox games, and the fact that there are something like 7 minor league baseball teams in suburban Chicago).

This, not to mention that what you mention isn't the same thing as a Big 10 hockey conference. The 'Hawks/Wolves are in the same market, and are NHL/AHL teams. The Big 10 argument is about teams that are theoretically equal (at least in the fact they are all competing for the same championship), and they are in different markets...
 
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SoCalSiouxFan said:
I love the way the sport seems to be growing. Would love to see the PAC 8 go to division I. Also would like to see the USHL expand out of the midwest to the east coast and maybe even to the west coast.

The recent success of the Blackhawks is huge boost to the sport, especially in Illinois. Blackhawks sold out the United Center weeks ago for their first training camp session to start the 2010-2011 season. http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=538037&navid=DL|CHI|home

Selling out a 22,000 seat arens for a practice!!!
How's that for an increase in popularity!!!
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Though I love your enthusiasm for hockey and think that westward expansion in college hockey is a great idea, I disagree with your comment that expanding the USHL would be a good thing. All of the other junior leagues in the country, as well as the Tier II Junior A leagues in Canada have a huge discrepancy in talent from top to bottom. This inevitably happens in every league where they get greedy and it takes away from their product significantly. Because the USHL is such a good investment (low overhead b/c of no player salaries) it will undoubtably expand and thus lessen the quality of the product but that does not make it a good idea from a quality of play standpoint. The attractiveness of the USHL in terms of recruiting and developing players lies in the fact that it is somewhat exclusive. Expansion leads to more expansion which ultimately leads to a crappy product on the ice. Just one man's opinion...
 
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moose97 said:
Two things on this. First, why is it a shame? And second, I don't think it will happen. The 'Hawks have brought attention to hockey in the Chicago market. There will still be people that can't afford to go to 'Hawks games (just like there are people that can't afford Cubs and Sox games, and the fact that there are something like 7 minor league baseball teams in suburban Chicago).

This, not to mention that what you mention isn't the same thing as a Big 10 hockey conference. The 'Hawks/Wolves are in the same market, and are NHL/AHL teams. The Big 10 argument is about teams that are theoretically equal (at least in the fact they are all competing for the same championship), and they are in different markets...
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Chicago is a fickle sports market. Other than the Cubs, it's a very "what have you done for me lately" town, where even the minor league team, after winning it's 4th championship, saw a DECREASE in attendance.

Even nights that the Wolves were playing the Blackhawks affiliate Rockford Icehogs, the attendance bump was only because it was a Saturday game that had special packages for groups.

I was just pointing out that for being some savior of hockey in Chicago, the Blackhawks really haven't (yet).
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Right. Just like the huge influx of players from Southern California because of Gretzky.

Please. :rolleyes:
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Elite.

Comments like this bug me because you have to start some where. I want to see the game expand in all parts of the country no matter the geographic place.
 
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Penn Live

This article shows the time line and how long the talks had been going on.
 
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