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Penn State Child Abuse Scandal - Revived

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Couldn't the appeal just play out like this?

Judge: The NCAA penalties are null and void
NCAA: Ok, well now you can't play any football for four years. Happy?

I mean, there is the clause about the penalties being too harsh, but at the same time PSU is voluntarily being apart of the NCAA. If they wanted to they could move to NAIA and not face sanctions.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
This just took a turn for the hilarious.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ions-trustees-appeal-ncaa-vow-federal-lawsuit

(I think the old thread got deleted.)
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From that article:

McCombie hired Boston attorneys Paul Kelly and Gregg Clifton of Jackson Lewis to file the appeal and wrote a letter to trustees Monday afternoon asking them to join him in his effort. Three trustees nearly immediately joined him. Kelly declined to comment, and McCombie did not return a message seeking comment.
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Is that Paul Kelly formerly head of College Hockey Inc?
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Couldn't the appeal just play out like this?

Judge: The NCAA penalties are null and void
NCAA: Ok, well now you can't play any football for four years. Happy?

I mean, there is the clause about the penalties being too harsh, but at the same time PSU is voluntarily being apart of the NCAA. If they wanted to they could move to NAIA and not face sanctions.
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That's why this is so effing hilarious.
 
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I sincerely hope the NCAA tacks on another four years of death penalty for Penn State and their community acting like a bunch of gigantic as*hats.

"We gave you an option and you took it. Now you come back after whining a b*tching. The price has gone up. Deal with it."
 
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<strike>Denial</strike>
<strike>Anger</strike>
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
 
Re: Penn State Child Abuse Scandal - Revived

Spartanforlife4 said:
Couldn't the appeal just play out like this?

Judge: The NCAA penalties are null and void
NCAA: Ok, well now you can't play any football for four years. Happy?

I mean, there is the clause about the penalties being too harsh, but at the same time PSU is voluntarily being apart of the NCAA. If they wanted to they could move to NAIA and not face sanctions.
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I'm not sure it'll go that far. That article mentions 4 trustees. There's like 20 or 30 total, I believe. If they didn't get "board approval" to appeal the sanctions, we're really only talking about 4 private individuals trying to appeal/sue over a consent decree between Penn State and the NCAA. They *shouldn't* have standing in that case and it would get dismissed the same way businessmen in Dallas who sued to get SMU's death penalty lifted got dismissed.
 
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They got off so easy. If the NCAA took their time and did a REAL investigation it would have been the death penalty. Regardless I don't think Penn State ever recovers. Who out of state would want to go there? If they did in the past it was because daddy played for Paterno 2-3 decades earlier.

Theres 4 teams I would always put over PSU. Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Penn State has never been a big deal on a national stage as far as TV goes. They may have 2 national titles but the game and structure of college football is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY different than it was in the early 80's
 
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I've never understood why NCAA football teams needed 85 scholarships anyways. I don't see why going down to 65 is going to make them suffer in any way.

Even if you had 11 different players for offense, defense, and special teams, that's only 66 players for 2 strings of each. Sure your 3rd choice will be lesser quality, but your team should still be highly competitive at 65 scholarships.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I've never understood why NCAA football teams needed 85 scholarships anyways. I don't see why going down to 65 is going to make them suffer in any way.

Even if you had 11 different players for offense, defense, and special teams, that's only 66 players for 2 strings of each. Sure your 3rd choice will be lesser quality, but your team should still be highly competitive at 65 scholarships.
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Attrition. That's the killer here. It adds up fast.

Let's say you have 85 players under scholarship right now, and 25 recruits committed to scholarships for 2013-14 (both the max.) That's 110 bodies to work with.

Your assistant coach Serry Jandusky gets caught converting tight ends into wide receivers. The NC$$ drops the Penn State punishment on you. 65 max schollies, 15 new schollies a season starting in 2013-14.

Ten of your current players and five of your recruits NOPE and transfer. Now at 75/20.

During your season, five players suffer injuries that leave them in jeopardy for next season. 70/20.

Five more get in trouble with academics and are ineligible or quit. 65/20.

Just for the lulz, two recruits are found ineligible. 65/18.

Fifteen seniors graduate. 50/18.

At the end of 2012-13, you're now down to 50 bodies under scholarship. You only have 18 coming in to replace your losses for a total of 68 in 2013-14 (but wait, 65/15 max!) And you only can get 15 more when 2014-15 comes. Not to mention you may have to deal with any short-term injuries, arrests, family problems, etc. that come up throughout the season. You'll be playing those third/lower strings pretty much constantly, a lot more than you think.
 
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I fully believe that it would be possible to field a competitive, entertaining football team with only 65 scholarships - if all the other schools ALSO had only 65 scholarships. The number isn't the issue - it's the relative difference between opponents. PSU will absolutely end up playing walk-ons a whole lot more frequently than their opponents, and the difference in quality will definitely show.
 
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I think that was his suggestion -- lower the # of scholarships across the board.
 
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I was focusing on his statement that "I don't see why going down to 65 is going to make them suffer in any way." I definitely think PSU will suffer directly due to the loss of scholarships.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Don't forget the redshirt players too. How many of those new incoming recruits will be ready to play as true freshmen?
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Plus the fact that your school's name is now foremost associated with "child molestation coverup," it's in the middle of bumfark Pennsylvania as opposed to somewhere with a beach, and it will not be seeing a single championship meaningful game for 4 years guaranteed. The recruits you do manage to land won't exactly be studs.

If they had yoinked TV, Penn State would probably have been a 1-AA school inside of a decade.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Plus the fact that your school's name is now foremost associated with "child molestation coverup," it's in the middle of bumfark Pennsylvania as opposed to somewhere with a beach, and it will not be seeing a single championship meaningful game for 4 years guaranteed. The recruits you do manage to land won't exactly be studs.

If they had yoinked TV, Penn State would probably have been a 1-AA school inside of a decade.
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Yeah, it really is too bad they didn't yank TV then.
 
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