PC Police: A New Low

[5mn_Major]

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I'm not offended when a woman swears. It just isn't attractive. Can't really compare it to men, but I'm sure most women aren't attracted to it. Can't blame them.

If they were married, certainly I would be disgusted. If they weren't, well, I'd probably still think it was gross. That could be your daughter.

On the coat part, yeah, I get that. But it's the warmest thing I had.

Guessing she's aiming at double standards. I get overuse of PC...but PC statements show up sometimes when there's a sense that double standards are in place.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Meh. I really don't care about being PC.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Not speaking of you dx...but why is it that those most out of touch with reality 'don't want to be politically correct'? Trump, Coulter, Bachmann, Limbaugh...really some of the last people you want making decisions for humanity.

 

[The Rube]

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Not speaking of you dx...but why is it that those most out of touch with reality 'don't want to be politically correct'? Trump, Coulter, Bachmann, Limbaugh...really some of the last people you want making decisions for humanity.

I think that people that are out of touch of reality are excessively PC. Kid-gloves. Participation awards. Etc.

Trump is a salesman. He has good BASIC opinions, but then he goes Trump. I do NOT want that man leading our country, whatsoever. Bachmann and Coulter are nuts, the former being more nuts than the latter, if you can believe it. Limbaugh USED to be like Trump-lite, but he's gone overboard, too.

The non-PC crowd accept reality, and deal with it. The PC crowd thinks everyone should be coddled and comforted. That is not how the world works, it never has been, and never will be.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I think that people that are out of touch of reality are excessively PC. Kid-gloves. Participation awards. Etc.

Trump is a salesman. He has good BASIC opinions, but then he goes Trump. I do NOT want that man leading our country, whatsoever. Bachmann and Coulter are nuts, the former being more nuts than the latter, if you can believe it. Limbaugh USED to be like Trump-lite, but he's gone overboard, too.

The non-PC crowd accept reality, and deal with it. The PC crowd thinks everyone should be coddled and comforted. That is not how the world works, it never has been, and never will be.

There are situations where some people go overboard in carrying PC too far. And just as many who have bailed on PC. And in many of those contexts, PC = respect. See how each of those 4 celebs use 'I don't want to be PC' to say totally negative stuff about others. For the rest of us being that kind of nonPC will result in losing friendships in school, income at work and teeth in a bar. As is often the case, being extreme is a stupid position.

 

[The Rube]

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...being extreme is a stupid position.

COMPLETELY agree.

 

[Kepler]

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The non-PC crowd accept reality, and deal with it. The PC crowd thinks everyone should be coddled and comforted. That is not how the world works, it never has been, and never will be.

I am amazed people fall for this. It's so obviously a focus group-tested marketing campaign to make people preen that they are "authentic." It's exactly how youth culture is manufactured. Six suits sit around a table and say, how can we move more product? If it's Mentos they green light ads that show teens being "rebellious." If it's conservatives they green light ads that show their candidate being "un-PC."

But hey, Mentos ads move product too.

 

[FreshFish]

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There are situations where some people go overboard in carrying PC too far. And just as many who have bailed on PC. And in many of those contexts, PC = respect.

It seems to me that what annoys people about "PC carried too far" is the following formulation, which I've seen and heard too often:
"You must respect me, but I don't have to respect you unless you agree with me completely without any demurral."


The whole idea of, either you are on board or you are shouted down without a chance at a hearing, is what I find annoying.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I find the PC mindset naively utopian.

 

[Kepler]

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I find the PC mindset naively utopian.

I agree, in the sense of utopia meaning "nowhere," and there really is no "PC mindset."

I'm at an advantage here because I know a lot of people who are supposed to be the Big Bads of the "PC side" of the argument -- you know, those horrible Brooklyn-living hipster Ivy League elitists who supposedly want to wrap their little snowflakes in packing peanuts and prevent them from ever feeling a chilly breeze or hearing a cruel word.

Only problem is, they're reasonable, sensible, and have a sense of humor, and they think all that stuff is idiotic and overblown, same as you do -- same as we all do. All the stuff that gets thrown around as supposedly "PC mindset" is just strawman examples -- individual, dumb things that get cranked out of the bureaucratic machine and that everybody -- even the elitists -- then immediately agrees goes too far and should be modified.

"PC" has become such a useful political cudgel that nobody stops to realize it's a solution in search of a problem. It's bullsh-t. It's just the latest incarnation of country folk complaining about the "soft hands of city people -- soft hands from counting money instead of doing real work."

 

[Kepler]

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It seems to me that what annoys people about "PC carried too far" is the following formulation, which I've seen and heard too often:
"You must respect me, but I don't have to respect you unless you agree with me completely without any demurral."


The whole idea of, either you are on board or you are shouted down without a chance at a hearing, is what I find annoying.

And completely fictional, but don't let that hold you back.

When crowds hoot people down it's not because they're PC, it's because they're evincing a mob mentality. It's just as likely to happen with righties -- the only difference is righty mobs sometimes bring a rope.

 

[FreshFish]

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And completely fictional.

Right, it's just my eyes and ears playing tricks on me! Good thing you were standing right there beside me when it happened, so that you could properly interpret reality for me.

Facts and logic never stand in the way of a good left-wing narrative, I'll grant you that part.

 

[FreshFish]

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Sorry, Kep, I guess my response to you could be construed as a micro-aggression.

So here's my micro apology.

 

[5mn_Major]

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It seems to me that what annoys people about "PC carried too far" is the following formulation, which I've seen and heard too often:
"You must respect me, but I don't have to respect you unless you agree with me completely without any demurral."


The whole idea of, either you are on board or you are shouted down without a chance at a hearing, is what I find annoying.

The issue is that this is happening at two levels. One is here on threads. One can point out an example of a single college in Maine doing something goofball in terms of PC. Valid.

The other happens at the level of popular media. Because there's an understanding that message board PC sentiment exists...celebs/pundits overuse it and abuse it like crazy. 'Hispanics are criminals...oh and I don't wanna be PC'. Frankly the anti PC blowback from media is much more widespread and detrimental vs. a single PC decision somewhere. Media anti PC overhype creates cultural conflicts and indirectly exacerbates structural national problems like congress not being able to talk (because 'well...screw you, I do what I want').

 

[St. Clown]

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I agree, in the sense of utopia meaning "nowhere," and there really is no "PC mindset."

I'm at an advantage here because I know a lot of people who are supposed to be the Big Bads of the "PC side" of the argument -- you know, those horrible Brooklyn-living hipster Ivy League elitists who supposedly want to wrap their little snowflakes in packing peanuts and prevent them from ever feeling a chilly breeze or hearing a cruel word.

Only problem is, they're reasonable, sensible, and have a sense of humor, and they think all that stuff is idiotic and overblown, same as you do -- same as we all do. All the stuff that gets thrown around as supposedly "PC mindset" is just strawman examples -- individual, dumb things that get cranked out of the bureaucratic machine and that everybody -- even the elitists -- then immediately agrees goes too far and should be modified.

"PC" has become such a useful political cudgel that nobody stops to realize it's a solution in search of a problem. It's bullsh-t. It's just the latest incarnation of country folk complaining about the "soft hands of city people -- soft hands from counting money instead of doing real work."

I have a friend who would get mad at me when I'd make fat jokes about myself because she thought I was being mean towards fat people and projecting a negative self image. Are you really telling me that the PC mindset doesn't exist?

 

[unofan]

I have a friend who would get mad at me when I'd make fat jokes about myself because she thought I was being mean towards fat people and projecting a negative self image. Are you really telling me that the PC mindset doesn't exist?

It exists on the same level as the racist right-wing nuts. I'd argue the latter group outnumbers it by a significant margin, however.

 

[St. Clown]

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It exists on the same level as the racist right-wing nuts. I'd argue the latter group outnumbers it by a significant margin, however.

That's only because racism has been around longer. Give it time, those numbers will switch.

 

[unofan]

That's only because racism has been around longer. Give it time, those numbers will switch.

So long as this country remains a center-right country, it won't.

 

[Kepler]

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Frankly the anti PC blowback from media is much more widespread and detrimental vs. a single PC decision somewhere. Media anti PC overhype creates cultural conflicts and indirectly exacerbates structural national problems like congress not being able to talk (because 'well...screw you, I do what I want').

Exactly. More people are hiding behind anti-PC then ever hid behind PC.

 

[Kepler]

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I have a friend who would get mad at me when I'd make fat jokes about myself because she thought I was being mean towards fat people and projecting a negative self image. Are you really telling me that the PC mindset doesn't exist?

I'm telling you there isn't some Big PC out there coming to take our freedumbs.

If you're fat and you make a fat joke and a thin person says "don't do that" you should laugh them out of the room.

If you're fat and you make a fat joke and a fat person says "don't do that" you should have a conversation, fat on fat so to speak.

Generally speaking, "PC" can be summed up in four words. "Don't be a jerk." Obviously, jerks take offense to that, but all anti-PC is is jerks playing their own PC card and saying "Waaaaaaaaaaaah... I WANNA be a jerk!"