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Patty Kaz 2013

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can a player have a great body of work but never win the top yearly prize...... absolutely! See Darwitz. Cry me a river with this whioux whining. It's not a WCHA stats award and it's not a lifetime achievement award..get over yourself.
 
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So the nations 3rd leading scorer, and nation's top scoring defender should be 1st team in their own conference this year? Or is that a team award also?
 
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hckyfan21 said:
Just going to post this and not say another word. If you clearly look at the components of what makes a great player and their leadership abilities, no player or players in the last decade of women's college hockey could have gone to a struggling program and done what the Lamoureux twins did. There are plenty of great players out there that but none in my opinion who possess the abilities they have both as players, leaders, and people.
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So what leadership quality is it to go to one program in hopes of winning the big prize then changing to your home program when it looks like they might have a chance to be good? Had they started and stayed with their home team you might have an argument there. Otherwise they look like carpet baggers.
 
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goldy_331 said:
So what leadership quality is it to go to one program in hopes of winning the big prize then changing to your home program when it looks like they might have a chance to be good? Had they started and stayed with their home team you might have an argument there. Otherwise they look like carpet baggers.
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Do we need a history lesson on UND Womens Hockey before/after the Lams came? The team became competetive, not good, the Lams' freshman year at UM. It was still a huge risk and huge project for them to transfer to UND..
 
northhockey said:
So theda nations 3rd leading scorer, and nation's top scoring defender should be 1st team in their own conference this year? Or is that a team award also?
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What team awards are you talking about? Kaz noms are not team awards.

WCHA awards do not use national rankings, but be aware defense is also a criterion for All-WCHA team selections, so another F or D might get votes and not have highest points. I would think the Lams would probably be 1st team WCHA.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
That seems right... mostly I'm trying to figure out how to fit Bozek in because those d-man numbers are pretty gaudy themselves.

But then you also have to include Räty because, I mean, come on.

But that leaves us with a Gopher hat trick and... mostly I just can't fit that into my head.
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Whioux posters...Not fitting it into their heads as well.
 
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I don't know, I'm probably biased, but when you make a commitment to a program, and then BAIL on that program, to go off to another program, that seems pretty lame to me.

Seems like maybe Karmas a *****?! Had they stayed they might be multi time Natl Champs?! Instead they've gone to 1 NCAA tourney and didn't make the FF?!

Or who knows, maybe UND will knock the Gophers out and win the Natl Title and then say its karma for the Lam Twins getting dissed by the Kaz Committee?! I'm not betting on that being the outcome, though. LOL



OK? Lets say that they went back to UND because its their home state school and they want to help build them up? Well, that is great, how well did that work for them, or the team? They are competitive now, but only barely on a national scale. And where will UND be after they leave?! Ouch.


What I am saying is, if you were really going to help your home state program out, why in the heck wouldn't you make the commitment to do that way back 7 years ago, when it would have had a LONG TERM impact. First of all, the early commitment would have told other girls that maybe UND would be a decent choice? The coach could have gotten 2 years of hyping the incoming Lam twins before they even showed up, plus the freshman season they never got from them. Then their impact on the program would already have been fully felt by the end of last year.

Instead, they go to UND's arch rivals, UMn, playing there for a year, then bailing on the team, screwing over their recruiting situation and class size ratios and everything else. I'm sure that looked real good to prospective UND recruits that the former Gophers were going to be on their team?! If it had a positive impact, them transferring, I just doubt it was as much of a positive impact than had they committed to go there early in the first place.


And btw, THANK YOU!!!!!! We might have our Natl Title from last yr & all of this yr because of their LEAVING!!!!!

Maybe we would have been a dynasty the last 3 years had they stayed?! Who is to say? Maybe they are not good team players? Maybe they don't make their teammates better? Maybe they do?! Things would have been different had they stayed or not come at all, but different for sure, positively different? Who knows? Negatively different?

But had they stayed, things would have been different, that would have been 2 gals on this present Gophers squad that wouldn't be on the team now, and I like the team the way it is, EXACTLY the way it is, and we are so far having an incredible season, so this season might not have happened had they stayed, so again, THANKS LAM TWINS, for leaving.


But otherwise, I'm sure they are great gals, and all the best to them in the future. I'm sure that they will make Amanda and Hannah and Meghan and Nora and any other current or former Gopher on the team, look like total amateurs in the Olympics.
 
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Back2BackU-MnPride2002 said:
Lets say that they went back to UND because its their home state school and they want to help build them up? Well, that is great, how well did that work for them, or the team? They are competitive now, but only barely on a national scale. And where will UND be after they leave?! Ouch.
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UND is clearly better for it. Minnesota? No complaints. The WCHA is better. Everybody wins, so let's just say done is done, and let this go.
 
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pakidnyc said:
All 3 well deserving but I do think Jenner got the shaft. How many Canadians have won the award compared to Americans, just curious?
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You want to talk a bias, how about the number of European players that have won it? How about that fact that the WCHA has won the award five times and have won 12 straight NCAA titles? How about the fact that 12 forwards have won the award and only two goalies and one defenseman? Every fan is going to find some bias that kept their favorite player off the list. Now I know someone will ask who from Europe has deserved it, and it pains me to say it because I'm not a UMD fan, but 2001 Maria Rooth probably should've received it. I personally think Raty should get it, but like most awards it will go to the player that put up the biggest numbers. With Kessel nearing 100, she probably gets it.
 
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mnpokecheck said:
What team awards are you talking about? Kaz noms are not team awards.

WCHA awards do not use national rankings, but be aware defense is also a criterion for All-WCHA team selections, so another F or D might get votes and not have highest points. I would think the Lams would probably be 1st team WCHA.
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Team success is an explicit Kaz criterion though. That's a big part of why the Gophers swept the voting I suspect.

No matter how much the Lams shined with lesser teammates, UND had to do better than 1-7 against its top two rivals. That's really the bottom line. If UND was 3-5 instead it would be different.

Re: stats, it's not that any individual committee member cares only about stats, it's that it's so hard to achieve consensus on any kind of non statistical information.

Re: biggest Kaz snubs ever, it was clearly Kristy Zamora in 2002, who didn't even make the 10. She was a victim of early Kaz voting and Brown's sow start. I agree no Rooth in top 3 in 2001 was also a huge snub.

Every eastern Kaz winner since 2000 looks worse in retrospect given how the national tournament played out, but it is a regular season award.
 
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Excluding Whioux and Gopher fans...Here is a theoretical question. If you could start a women's college hockey team today and you had the first pick of all the players available who would it be?

Answer that and there's your sign...
 
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Just noticed that all 3 Paty Kaz finalists from University of Minnesota are in fact not from Minnesota.

States (clubs) representd in top 10 finalists:
Illinois: 2 (Chicago Mission 2)
Wisconsin: 2 (SSM 2)
Massachusetts: 2 (Assabet/Rivers; Govenors Academy)
Minnesota: 1 (Hill Murray)
North Dakota: 1 (SSM 1)
Ontario: 1
Finland: 1

Of course, I'm rooting for Bozek.
 
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96IllinoisDad said:
Just noticed that all 3 Paty Kaz finalists from University of Minnesota are in fact not from Minnesota.
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Sure they are. Once they put on an "M", they're now from Minnesota, I don't care where they were born. Courtney Kennedy, Ronda Curtin, Natalie Darwitz, Krissy Wendell, Noora Räty -- we don't look at those who made the top 3 in other years and see anything other than Gophers. It's funny that this never comes up at other schools, such as, "Only half of the Kaz' winners at Wisconsin were actually from Wisconsin."
 
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I know I'm a Gopher fan, but I'm going to answer this question anyway.

If I had to start a women's college hockey team today, and I had the first pick of all players available, it would be an EASY choice,


Hannah Brandt.


And if it were possible she was still available when my 2nd pick came up, I'd take, and I can't believe I'm saying this, A CANADIAN!!!! Amanda Leveille.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Do you need a tissue?

Kessel will lead the USA team. She's by far the best American player in Women's hockey.
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They could use several truck loads of tissue over in the SiouxSports forum from what I've read of it.
 
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