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pairwise -- post jan 8th

Re: pairwise -- post jan 8th

Quinnipiac will be #1 in Worcester. If BC wins the Hockey East tournament they are #1 in Albany and Providence is the #2. If they lose tonight (this morning) or ...tonight... then Providence is #1 in Albany and BC is #2.
#1 in St. Paul comes down to tomorrow's games: If North Dakota wins the 3rd place game then St Cloud must win the title to get the #1 seed. If both teams lose, North Dakota stays west and St Cloud flies to Cincinnati.
It would be an interesting fate if Minnesota wins the B1G title and hosts North Dakota...
Denver could go anywhere since a flight is a flight. Most likely #2 in Cincinnati. However, if the committee could finagle Michigan vs Notre Dame in Cincinnati I expect them to.
Boston University and Lowell are tied at the hip. One will end up in St Paul while the other hops on a bus to Worcester.
Yale (assuming they get in) or Harvard will be the 3 seed in Worcester to play either BC or PC.

The brackets will look something like this:
St Paul: SCSU/UND vs Minnesota/AHA/WCHA, BU/UML vs Yale/Harvard
Cincinnati: UND/SCSU vs AHA Champ/WCHA Champ, Denver/Michigan vs Notre Dame
Worcester: QUINNIPIAC vs WCHA/UMD/Northeastern, Lowell/Michigan vs Harvard/Yale/Michigan
Albany: PC/BC vs WCHA, BC/PC vs UMD/Yale/Harvard

The only thing we know for sure is Quinnipiac is the #1 in Worcester.

And people thought it would be decided by Friday...
 
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Re: pairwise -- post jan 8th

It's certainly a lot more decided than I thought it would be tonight. With BC/NU still playing (which matters!) we're already down to three teams fighting for at-large spots and Minnesota deciding whether all three get in, or just two. If just two, there's a little bit of juggling to determine which two, but this is by far the easies at this point since I've been watching. If BC had an unlikely comeback tonight, things would really solidify.

Of course, that's just who's in. ticap's quite right that seeding is nowhere near decided, and likely won't be until the very end.
 
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ticapnews said:
Hamden is closer to Worcester than Albany.
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But they'd get better attendance in Worcester with PC most likely, and QU would travel equally to Albany and Worcester, where PC is quite far from Albany and could leave that site with poor attendance. Albany is already ECAC territory anyways.
 
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brassbonanza said:
But they'd get better attendance in Worcester with PC most likely, and QU would travel equally to Albany and Worcester, where PC is quite far from Albany and could leave that site with poor attendance. Albany is already ECAC territory anyways.
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They aren't the host. The committee would have to create precedent to send Quinnipiac - possibly the overall #1 seed - to a regional that isn't the nearest.
 
Re: pairwise -- post jan 8th

ticapnews said:
They aren't the host. The committee would have to create precedent to send Quinnipiac - possibly the overall #1 seed - to a regional that isn't the nearest.
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um, the terriors were sent farther to manchvegas just last year.
 
Re: pairwise -- post jan 8th

ticapnews said:
They aren't the host. The committee would have to create precedent to send Quinnipiac - possibly the overall #1 seed - to a regional that isn't the nearest.
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It's a difference of 50 miles for QU, where for PC it's a difference of 125+. I suppose they could do it, but I would hesitate to call QU in Worcester a lock.
 
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Looks like Notre Dame is the only team that cannot control it's own destiny to get into the tournament now. 1-11 are in. Notre Dame at 12 can only be bumped out by 5 AQ. Minn-Duluth, Northeastern, Minnesota, WCHA and AHC. WCHA or AHC is either 15th or 16th. Northeastern first or Minn-D 2nd could be out with a loss. Minnesota needs to win to get in. If Michigan wins then not only ND but also Minn-D and Northeastern are in even if they lose.

Dahl has Yale in Notre Dame's position. RPI has them .0003 ahead of Notre Dame. I assume other results must flip their positions then.
 
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BC/HE said:
Looks like Notre Dame is the only team that cannot control it's own destiny to get into the tournament now. 1-11 are in. Notre Dame at 12 can only be bumped out by 5 AQ. Minn-Duluth, Northeastern, Minnesota, WCHA and AHC. WCHA or AHC is either 15th or 16th. Northeastern first or Minn-D 2nd could be out with a loss. Minnesota needs to win to get in. If Michigan wins then not only ND but also Minn-D and Northeastern are in even if they lose.
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I wish you were correct, but Minnesota+Minnesota-Duluth+Northeastern+Quinnipiac knocks out Yale.
 
Re: pairwise -- post jan 8th

BC/HE said:
Looks like Notre Dame is the only team that cannot control it's own destiny to get into the tournament now. 1-11 are in. Notre Dame at 12 can only be bumped out by 5 AQ. Minn-Duluth, Northeastern, Minnesota, WCHA and AHC. WCHA or AHC is either 15th or 16th. Northeastern first or Minn-D 2nd could be out with a loss. Minnesota needs to win to get in. If Michigan wins then not only ND but also Minn-D and Northeastern are in even if they lose.
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Dahl has ND in. http://test.collegehockeyranked.com/forecast/pwrtournament.php
 
brassbonanza said:
Brown hosted in Providence last year, not PC. The committee placed PC there willingly.
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I know but they kept Providence there and therefore could not place BU there. They had the freedom to do that because (according to Google maps) Boston is 50 miles from Providence and 52 from Manchester. The difference between them is 40 miles for Quinnipiac.
 
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If Minny wins, and the overall #1 is SCSU/UND, is there a chance the overall #1 goes to Cincinnati to face the 16, rather than the 14 at home?
 
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Looking back at the discussion we had last year, I was in the camp that thought PC should have been shipped, Miami kept in South Bend for attendance and since Mankato was flying anyway, put them in either Providence or Manchester. I am convinced part of what drove the decision is that tickets in South Bend were already sold (part of the ND STH package) and they needed to sell tickets in Providence and Manchester. After what the committee did last year it wouldn't shock me to see Quinnipiac moved to Albany and PC/BC moved to Worcester if they thought it would boost attendance. Nothing the NC$$ does anymore is a complete shock to me. However, I still think QU will be the #1 seed in Worcester because of geography.
 
Re: pairwise -- post jan 8th

Haven't read back. If NU loses tonight, are they a lock if michigan wins?
 
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