Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close 1st

[Laker28]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

I agree that if that had gone in it would have been a different game but what about some of the tantalizingly close plays Oswego had in the first two games that could have changed the momentum. I guess I have a hard time figuring out how you can be unimpressed by Oswego seizing and maintaining momentum gained from timely goals, some big saves and a few lucky breaks when Plattsburgh used the same formula to beat Oswego twice this season.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Norm I usually respect your posts but this last one is ridiculous. Plattsburgh didn't get any momentum in the title game because Hare and the Lakers didn't let them get any. I don't see what is unimpressive about that. Oswego's game plan was to beat Plattsburgh at their own game by taking care of the front of their net, and limiting the odd man rushes. The defense for Oswego didn't take any chances offensively as doing so led to some Platty goals in the other two games. Oswego won most of the board battles, most of the one on one battles and a ton of faceoffs and their PK allowed very little by blocking a huge amount of shots. The Oswego-Platty games usually come down to some luck and bounces and in the first two games the Cards got most of that, this time it was the Lakers turn.

Not disagreeing with you - you are preaching to the choir - Plattsburgh didn't get any momentum in the title game because Hare and the Lakers didn't let them get any - BUT really, I was expecting that of them in ALL 3 GAMES. Oswego, it appears has a problem when they "don't get the bounces" - yet they are a skilled enough team they don't need any bounces - they (like Plattsburgh) need leadership and determination to find the way to win.

 

[Laker28]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

It all comes down to board battles and battles in front of both nets Norm, if you win a majority of those you win the game. Talent doesn't mean squat if you don't win the little battles and you are right Oswego has lacked the will to do whatever it takes to win games this year but they did have that on Saturday. If they don't have that same will this Saturday they will lose and they will need to have that over the course of the final four as well if they get there.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

It all comes down to board battles and battles in front of both nets Norm, if you win a majority of those you win the game. Talent doesn't mean squat if you don't win the little battles and you are right Oswego has lacked the will to do whatever it takes to win games this year but they did have that on Saturday. If they don't have that same will this Saturday they will lose and they will need to have that over the course of the final four as well if they get there.

+1

 

[toto238]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Not disagreeing with you - you are preaching to the choir - Plattsburgh didn't get any momentum in the title game because Hare and the Lakers didn't let them get any - BUT really, I was expecting that of them in ALL 3 GAMES. Oswego, it appears has a problem when they "don't get the bounces" - yet they are a skilled enough team they don't need any bounces - they (like Plattsburgh) need leadership and determination to find the way to win.

Once again you seem to be putting the Lakers on this pedestal where you expect them to play a perfect game every game, and blow away all their opponents every time. That's just ridiculous. Yes, they had a few bad games this season. Last Saturday was not one of them. The Lakers outplayed Plattsburgh from the beginning center-ice faceoff to the end of the game. Yes, there a couple close calls where Plattsburgh almost got a goal or two. But the Lakers were there to gather it up. There were also a couple dings off the post on the other end where Oswego beat the goalie but the puck bounced in the wrong direction.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

It all comes down to board battles and battles in front of both nets Norm, if you win a majority of those you win the game. Talent doesn't mean squat if you don't win the little battles and you are right Oswego has lacked the will to do whatever it takes to win games this year but they did have that on Saturday. If they don't have that same will this Saturday they will lose and they will need to have that over the course of the final four as well if they get there.

Team defense, just outstanding. Hare was great don't get me wrong, but Oswego finally started to play team defense. I wrote a big long reply to the little dog but it never worked, but in short I basically said the same thing. Oswego made their breaks. Plattsburgh didn't. We can do the what ifs for every game this season. What if Plattsburgh doesn't leave the Ice Knight player wide open in November? What if they got the call in Fredonia? Home game vs. Oswego? What if Docking was a stride behind? What if Grace doesn't get tangled with Muise on the third goal (still close to a trip, seen it called too many times but a good no call). Fact is the RIGHT team won. I think a lot of it was youth, and not knowing how to respond. Something Plattsburgh had trouble with all season. They did have 5 come from behind wins, but not so sure Morrisville, Potsdam, and Brockport are great come from behind wins. Williams was epic (and I thought the turning point of the season) and then against Oswego was decent (but at home). 5 of their 7 loses were by 1 goal only @ Castleton (2-5ENG) and @ Oswego (0-4ENG) were "blow outs", so there are a lot of "what if" games that could be played with this years team. Oswego and Plattsburgh are two teams that are very close. Plattsburgh maybe more defensive, and Oswego more offensive, but close.

One thing I did notice on the replay, on the 2nd goal (and again this is not an excuse highway) did anyone notice Gertsakis? Looks like he was well in the crease before the puck and actually prevented Chewy from sticking his pad out. Seen that called goaltender interference several times. But so be it.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Once again you seem to be putting the Lakers on this pedestal where you expect them to play a perfect game every game, and blow away all their opponents every time. That's just ridiculous. Yes, they had a few bad games this season. Last Saturday was not one of them. The Lakers outplayed Plattsburgh from the beginning center-ice faceoff to the end of the game. Yes, there a couple close calls where Plattsburgh almost got a goal or two. But the Lakers were there to gather it up. There were also a couple dings off the post on the other end where Oswego beat the goalie but the puck bounced in the wrong direction.

Not "perfect game every game" - but SMART EVERY GAME - with motivating leadership. Blowing away opponent is nothing better than a 1 goal win - and a shutout IMO, is often proof the opponent wasn't firing on all cylinders or the goalie had the opponents number.

 

[pburghhockey09]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

As a plattsburgh fan, Oswego is a national champion caliber team. However on any given night they can loose a game if they do not show up with emotion and heart. Same goes with any other powerhouse like Norwich, st norbert, and Adrian. Oswego showed up with that this past Saturday, and I believe plattsburgh did too. But when you get done a goal or two it falls apart. Talent can get you soo far but emotion and heart will make you a champion. Having said that I believe both Oswego and Adrian will show up with both and we will see a great game.

I hope oswego runs away with the game as I support the east before west and especially the SUNYAC, whomever may be representing. Soo for these next couple weeks, go oz!

 

[norm1909]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

As a plattsburgh fan, Oswego is a national champion caliber team. However on any given night they can loose a game if they do not show up with emotion and heart. Same goes with any other powerhouse like Norwich, st norbert, and Adrian. Oswego showed up with that this past Saturday, and I believe Plattsburgh did too. But when you get down a goal or two it falls apart. Talent can get you so far but emotion and heart will make you a champion. Having said that I believe both Oswego and Adrian will show up with both and we will see a great game.

I hope oswego runs away with the game as I support the east before west and especially the SUNYAC, whomever may be representing. Soo for these next couple weeks, go oz!

That is where the need for on-ice leadership comes in.

 

[toto238]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Team defense, just outstanding. Hare was great don't get me wrong, but Oswego finally started to play team defense. I wrote a big long reply to the little dog but it never worked, but in short I basically said the same thing. Oswego made their breaks. Plattsburgh didn't. We can do the what ifs for every game this season. What if Plattsburgh doesn't leave the Ice Knight player wide open in November? What if they got the call in Fredonia? Home game vs. Oswego? What if Docking was a stride behind? What if Grace doesn't get tangled with Muise on the third goal (still close to a trip, seen it called too many times but a good no call). Fact is the RIGHT team won. I think a lot of it was youth, and not knowing how to respond. Something Plattsburgh had trouble with all season. They did have 5 come from behind wins, but not so sure Morrisville, Potsdam, and Brockport are great come from behind wins. Williams was epic (and I thought the turning point of the season) and then against Oswego was decent (but at home). 5 of their 7 loses were by 1 goal only @ Castleton (2-5ENG) and @ Oswego (0-4ENG) were "blow outs", so there are a lot of "what if" games that could be played with this years team. Oswego and Plattsburgh are two teams that are very close. Plattsburgh maybe more defensive, and Oswego more offensive, but close.

One thing I did notice on the replay, on the 2nd goal (and again this is not an excuse highway) did anyone notice Gertsakis? Looks like he was well in the crease before the puck and actually prevented Chewy from sticking his pad out. Seen that called goaltender interference several times. But so be it.

I completely agree with you. Both Oswego and Plattsburgh had a lot of 1-goal games this season that could've gone either way. There's no use fretting about "oh if that one puck had crossed the line" or "if that puck had bounced into the net off the post instead of out into the crowd". In the end, the score is the score. It's over. In every game there will be different events that people will say "Oh well if that miracle hadn't happened it would've changed the entire game". But you don't win games by having the most opportunities. You win games by capitalizing on those opportunities. This isn't a case of the ref blowing 5 different calls that would've given Plattsburgh the win. Oswego outplayed Plattsburgh, and on that night, at that time, they were clearly the better team.

Not "perfect game every game" - but SMART EVERY GAME - with motivating leadership. Blowing away opponent is nothing better than a 1 goal win - and a shutout IMO, is often proof the opponent wasn't firing on all cylinders or the goalie had the opponents number.

Oswego just can't win with you, can they? If they barely eke out a win, they didn't deserve it because it should've been bigger. If they shutout their opponents with a convincingly large goal margin, they still didn't deserve it because their opponents weren't playing their best or they just had a hot goalie. Oswego won. They were a better team than Plattsburgh when it mattered the most this year. Whether they managed to do it by taking advantage of Plattsburgh having a bad night or by relying on a phenomenal goalie performance, it worked. Last year, Plattsburgh's strategy in the SUNYAC championship paid off and they were the better team. This year, Oswego was the better team. That's the end of the story.

 

[bakdraft21]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

That is where the need for on-ice leadership comes in.

watched that game great comeback, will serve them well in the future,as they can lookback on it..

 

[LakerFan99]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Oswego just can't win with you, can they? If they barely eke out a win, they didn't deserve it because it should've been bigger. If they shutout their opponents with a convincingly large goal margin, they still didn't deserve it because their opponents weren't playing their best or they just had a hot goalie. Oswego won. They were a better team than Plattsburgh when it mattered the most this year. Whether they managed to do it by taking advantage of Plattsburgh having a bad night or by relying on a phenomenal goalie performance, it worked. Last year, Plattsburgh's strategy in the SUNYAC championship paid off and they were the better team. This year, Oswego was the better team. That's the end of the story.

That's not what he's saying at all. Drop it already and move on.

 

[admiral0417]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

My view of last Saturday's game was Plattsburgh got thrown out of their game early by a couple iffy calls causing some early energy to be used on PK. By the time the zebra's started "evening things up" it was 2-0. Cards never got it flowing, never rolled four lines and 6 d. Docking, Jensen must have played 35 minutes, which is not the norm. Lakers did get the breaks, but played real well in their own zone and Hare had a very good night. Looks like I finally could get my wish (maybe??) if Oswego and Norwich finally play.

I'll pull for the Lakers as I've grown to dislike some of McShane's manipulation of referees and committee's he's on. No punishment for him losing his conference title game. One-and-In at home. They should've not even have played Babson !! Now go Beat the Bulldongs!!

 

[97osu]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

My view of last Saturday's game was Plattsburgh got thrown out of their game early by a couple iffy calls causing some early energy to be used on PK. By the time the zebra's started "evening things up" it was 2-0. Cards never got it flowing, never rolled four lines and 6 d. Docking, Jensen must have played 35 minutes, which is not the norm. Lakers did get the breaks, but played real well in their own zone and Hare had a very good night. Looks like I finally could get my wish (maybe??) if Oswego and Norwich finally play.

I'll pull for the Lakers as I've grown to dislike some of McShane's manipulation of referees and committee's he's on. No punishment for him losing his conference title game. One-and-In at home. They should've not even have played Babson !! Now go Beat the Bulldongs!!

I think you may have a spelling error in your post. Nice!

 

[Birds]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Once again you seem to be putting the Lakers on this pedestal where you expect them to play a perfect game every game, and blow away all their opponents every time. That's just ridiculous. Yes, they had a few bad games this season. Last Saturday was not one of them. The Lakers outplayed Plattsburgh from the beginning center-ice faceoff to the end of the game. Yes, there a couple close calls where Plattsburgh almost got a goal or two. But the Lakers were there to gather it up. There were also a couple dings off the post on the other end where Oswego beat the goalie but the puck bounced in the wrong direction.

I guess you didn't watch any of the second period but that's neither here nor there now. Look, you won. No need for all that nonsense. Move on. Remember most of us, as most of you, follow the same rule as the team. Win or lose with class. You should try it.

 

[OSU2010]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

I like that we're playing Adrian, they knocked us out of the frozen four 2 years ago. I hope we play St. Norbert I'm the NC and win that would make it biter sweet as they knocked us out of the FF 2 of the last 3 years. Well one game at a time

 

[toto238]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Win or lose with class. You should try it.

You realize you just contradicted yourself? You say to win or lose with class while doing the opposite. Please point out exactly what I said that was disrespectful in any way. Your post was far more disrespectful to me than anything I've posted since Saturday.

The only opinion I stated was that some Cardinal fans are putting the Lakers on too high a pedestal. That's a valid opinion. Instead of just congratulating the Lakers on a job well done, some Card fans immediately start nit picking all the millions of little things Oswego could have done but didn't (oh they only won because their first line is good but the rest suck, or they only won because their goalie had a hot night, or they didn't have enough freshmen to make it a fair fight, or they didn't win the regular season Plattsburgh games, etc.). That's not losing with class. That's just disrespectful.

When Oswego lost their games earlier this season it was because they weren't the better team on that particular day. Their opponents outplayed them, and although there were some great and memorable moments in those games, the opponents in those games worked hard and deserved their wins. Yet when Plattsburgh loses a game it's because the Lakers had a lucky night, or the Cardinals were having a bad night. Yeah, we can always nitpick little plays that could've "changed the game" but it doesn't matter. The game is over. The Lakers won when it really counted, and the Cardinals didn't. The Cards still had a great season and accomplished a lot, especially considering how many freshmen they had. They should be proud of the foundation they've set for the next 3 years and I look forward to seeing them play more in the coming years.

Be Loud
Be Proud
Be Positive

 

[toto238]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

I like that we're playing Adrian, they knocked us out of the frozen four 2 years ago. I hope we play St. Norbert I'm the NC and win that would make it biter sweet as they knocked us out of the FF 2 of the last 3 years. Well one game at a time

I feel like a Utica rematch in the championship would probably be the most poetic justice. Oswego only lost to two teams this year, Plattsburgh and Utica. We had to face down our first demon in the SUNYAC championship and were able to defeat them. Then in the championship, to face down Utica, and to pull out a victory, would be beyond sweet. Exorcising the last demon to finish the season by beating every team on our schedule at least once.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

You realize you just contradicted yourself? You say to win or lose with class while doing the opposite. Please point out exactly what I said that was disrespectful in any way. Your post was far more disrespectful to me than anything I've posted since Saturday.

The only opinion I stated was that some Cardinal fans are putting the Lakers on too high a pedestal. That's a valid opinion. Instead of just congratulating the Lakers on a job well done, some Card fans immediately start nit picking all the millions of little things Oswego could have done but didn't (oh they only won because their first line is good but the rest suck, or they only won because their goalie had a hot night, or they didn't have enough freshmen to make it a fair fight, or they didn't win the regular season Plattsburgh games, etc.). That's not losing with class. That's just disrespectful.

When Oswego lost their games earlier this season it was because they weren't the better team on that particular day. Their opponents outplayed them, and although there were some great and memorable moments in those games, the opponents in those games worked hard and deserved their wins. Yet when Plattsburgh loses a game it's because the Lakers had a lucky night, or the Cardinals were having a bad night. Yeah, we can always nitpick little plays that could've "changed the game" but it doesn't matter. The game is over. The Lakers won when it really counted, and the Cardinals didn't. The Cards still had a great season and accomplished a lot, especially considering how many freshmen they had. They should be proud of the foundation they've set for the next 3 years and I look forward to seeing them play more in the coming years.

Be Loud
Be Proud
Be Positive

It is not a pedestal, but it is EXPECTATION - the 2012-13 Lakers are among the most talented and senior ladened teams the SUNYAC has seen in awhile (and they are not just any seniors, but seniors who in the previous 3 years have 3 NCAA tournament appearances) - they have the skill to beat anyone anytime. None of their wins or losses were luck, and none were from playing a better team - they are as good as they get. Their wins and losses came from their ability to find a way to win - to capitalize on their opponents miscues and to overcome their own. Hockey is a game of momentum, team leadership finds the way, when they don't ....

 

[97osu]

Re: Oswego State Laker Hockey 2012-13...Part 2..Because Norwich's thread didn't close

Did you know you get a free cup of coffee from Dunkin" Donuts when Utica has a shut out at the Aud?