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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

It sounds like this is pairing the F1TV subscription with Apple, so is that the end of the SkySports simulcast? If so, that’s a shame. I’ve heard F1TV provides a good product but I like Crofty and the rest of the Sky team.
 
MichVandal said:
I think F1 doesn't really care about the nominal TV viewer F1 fan. The individual fan doesn't really give them any money. Whatever means they can do to make the most money is all that matters. Especially in the US- looking at Miami and Vegas as race events, they are more to be seen at than see a race. Meaning they appeal to people who think their appearance is what matters- which is mostly super rich people.

Many US fans survived many years with basically an F1 blackout when ESPN dropped them to Speed Vision many years ago. Same thing all over again until Apple decides they don't want to pay for sports like how NBC decided that having a sports channel isn't worth it.
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There is a realization that I believe a lot of us need to understand: Casual, “nominal” TV viewers do not exist in the numbers that there used to be. The “mono culture”, the kind where everyone talks about something at the water cooler, doesn’t really exist anymore. Nearly everything these days is a niche. That’s what F1 is leaning into. If you want to watch it, you’ll find a way to watch it. The idea that you need to be on a channel like ESPN in the hopes that someone will just stick around and watch is antiquated.
 
Jimjamesak said:
There is a realization that I believe a lot of us need to understand: Casual, “nominal” TV viewers do not exist in the numbers that there used to be. The “mono culture”, the kind where everyone talks about something at the water cooler, doesn’t really exist anymore. Nearly everything these days is a niche. That’s what F1 is leaning into. If you want to watch it, you’ll find a way to watch it. The idea that you need to be on a channel like ESPN in the hopes that someone will just stick around and watch is antiquated.
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Did those ever exist for F1? I worked at Ford Motor Company for 30 years, and remember only a handful of people who cared about F1... (not including the ones who actually did work with F1 that I knew)

And I VERY much remember going to an autocross the day that Senna crashed, and I asked the guy I was working a corner with if he had heard any update and he had no idea who Senna was. A guy who raced his car didn't know who one of the best F1 drivers of all time even was when he was racing.
 
Sounds like the reality check for us when we are reminded 99.7% of the population neither knows nor cares about college hockey.

Thank god.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
It sounds like this is pairing the F1TV subscription with Apple, so is that the end of the SkySports simulcast? If so, that’s a shame. I’ve heard F1TV provides a good product but I like Crofty and the rest of the Sky team.
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You can choose the Sky Sports simulcast on F1 TV. You can also choose nearly every major language on F1 TV. (One time, for a reason I never was able to explain, my F1 TV flipped to Dutch. When I finally figured out how to choose a language, that's when I realized it was on Dutch.)
 
MichVandal said:
Did those ever exist for F1? I worked at Ford Motor Company for 30 years, and remember only a handful of people who cared about F1... (not including the ones who actually did work with F1 that I knew)

And I VERY much remember going to an autocross the day that Senna crashed, and I asked the guy I was working a corner with if he had heard any update and he had no idea who Senna was. A guy who raced his car didn't know who one of the best F1 drivers of all time even was when he was racing.
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Recently, I worked with a guy who was into autocrossing. One day at work, I brought up F1. He essentially shut me down right away. He said he doesn't car whatsoever about any racing, never watches it, doesn't give a crap. At all. But he liked autocrossing his car. And he was, by all accounts, a car guy overall. But not racing. Blew me away.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Ferrari International Assistance strikes again.
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If that were really the case, Hamilton would have gotten just 5 seconds for going off the track, and then Verstappen would have gotten 5 seconds for hitting Lewis off the track prior to that other event. So...

And the Williams was on the track, so the VSC was required- and better than a full SC.
 
I didn’t see Max get much of an advantage from any contact or leaving the track like Hamilton did, which likely played a part in not getting a penalty. Plus, he was squeezed off the track by Leclerc in turn 1, which also may have been a factor in just leaving things alone.

By the time Leclerc and Max got to where the Williams was it was behind the wall. (I thought, anyway. Have to go back to make sure) Obviously they may not know that’ll be the case when they call it. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the earlier close call involving Lawson played a part in the decision making. In the end no one really seems to be complaining about it, which does lead me to believe it was fine.
 
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state of hockey said:
I didn’t see Max get much of an advantage from any contact or leaving the track like Hamilton did, which likely played a part in not getting a penalty. Plus, he was squeezed off the track by Leclerc in turn 1, which also may have been a factor in just leaving things alone.

By the time Leclerc and Max got to where the Williams was it was behind the wall. (I thought, anyway. Have to go back to make sure) Obviously they may not know that’ll be the case when they call it. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the earlier close call involving Lawson played a part in the decision making. In the end no one really seems to be complaining about it, which does lead me to believe it was fine.
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If it were just forcing a car off the track, sure, but it was an actual (minor) collision forcing him off the track. Caused by Max partially losing control of the car. Normally all of that would be some kind of penalty for other drivers. Lewis was going to be able to at least keep his tires on the white line had that not happened. And then who knows how the next corner plays out.

As for the Williams, was it really done or just barely behind the wall? It's hard to say that they were totally done, and, as you say, they made a mistake earlier risking a worker- they would make sure that all things were done correctly. At least there was some green flag racing at the end. And for once, Max said it best- sometimes it helps you, sometimes it doesn't. Lest we forget, Max won a pretty weak championship based on a spin at the end of a race. Losing a handful of points missing second is not a big deal compared to that gain.
 
Yeah, he said after the start he didn’t expect a podium, so he was happy with third. Part of that is probably that while he lost ground to Norris, he gained four points on the leader.
 
state of hockey said:
Yeah, he said after the start he didn’t expect a podium, so he was happy with third. Part of that is probably that while he lost ground to Norris, he gained four points on the leader.
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On Piastri, he lost to the leader, since Norris is leading now. Something is very wrong with Oscar given his recent trend. And Lando is really taking advantage of it.
 
Kepler said:
But did they have a choice? Carlos' Williams' ass is still on the racing surface.

No fun but hey nobody died either.
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And, apparently, it was smoking so they had to think fire. The Race did a pretty good job explaining why it was the correct call- even showing the clip where we thought we saw the car behind the barrier actually had 3 workers on the track pushing it off the track. No way they could go green then.
 
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