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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

And additional question- why race at a track twice? They already did a race here in May before the 500.

It's a good race and all, but repeating a track?

It’s a different course at least. Better than NASCAR going to the same tracks twice and weather is the only change, though to their credit they’re beginning to change that by doing rovals at some of their repeats or just going to single dates at tracks.

Originally because they had trouble finding venues...

But now, I think they will dump the second trip to Indy. Especially since next year NASCAR will use the oval for their race. And it's too much logistical setup work to go back and forth.

I’m probably underestimating this by a lot, but is it that much work to change it? The infield course is already there, so isn’t it just moving barriers to turn 1 and painting a couple more lines?
 
Originally because they had trouble finding venues...

But now, I think they will dump the second trip to Indy. Especially since next year NASCAR will use the oval for their race. And it's too much logistical setup work to go back and forth.

Yes. INDYCAR had trouble finding an additional venues for a while with Pocono falling off, New Hampshire, Phoenix, etc but… the good news is the 2nd Indy road course race is getting replaced going forward with Milwaukee. Evidently they want to run Milwaukee like Iowa and have concerts, etc.

question in my mind given the news this weekend is this: Is Alex Palou a dishonest prick or is Zack Brown and McLaren dishonest? How is he not under written contract at McLaren after all of the promises of an F1 opportunity and then the lawsuit with Ganassi?
 
I’m probably underestimating this by a lot, but is it that much work to change it? The infield course is already there, so isn’t it just moving barriers to turn 1 and painting a couple more lines?

Yes, you're underestimating it ... by a lot. :-)

When SVRA first went to Indy to put on the Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, I was lucky enough to work it. In that first year, they offered to the drivers not just the road course for the usual races, but exhibition laps on the oval at racing speed. Needless to say, it was a huge selling point.

However, the time it took to convert the track was tremendous. The oval requires a certain setup of walls, especially on the inside of turns 1 and 2, which cannot be there for the road course. Mainly due to the angles the drivers would otherwise inpact inside barriers if they spun to the inside of the oval. They also have to add barriers in Turn 4 when they run the road course in order to protect emergency vehicles which sit there for rapid deployment for the early part of the infield circuit. They also have to add walls in the short chute between 1 and 2 for the cars exiting the infield, again all due to angles. And if I remember correctly, the entrance to pit lane when running the road course is different than the exit of pit lane when running the oval, requiring more wall movement.

So, they only wanted to do this conversion once a day. Thus, they would setup for the oval at the end of one day after racing was complete, run the oval the next morning, and then change it back during a long lunch.

After two years of this format, they abandoned the idea of providing racing speed laps on the oval. It was just too much of a hassle. (Occasionally they did have some ceremonial runs on the oval, but they were very slow speed, so they just shoved the walls that were placed on the oval out of the way.)

And yes, I did get to drive the oval -- in a Jaguar F-Type. It was one of the most overwhelming experiences of my life.
 
question in my mind given the news this weekend is this: Is Alex Palou a dishonest ***** or is Zack Brown and McLaren dishonest? How is he not under written contract at McLaren after all of the promises of an F1 opportunity and then the lawsuit with Ganassi?

It's a mess. And I don't know if we'll ever know the whole truth from all sides.
 
Is there significant overlap? My stereotypes of those sets (gearheads; racists) do not intersect.

It's Indy. Those folks will watch anything. I remember going to the first F1 race at Indy, and seeing all these fans with their sprint car and dirt track shirts and coolers. If it has four wheels, they come out.
 
It's Indy. Those folks will watch anything. I remember going to the first F1 race at Indy, and seeing all these fans with their sprint car and dirt track shirts and coolers. If it has four wheels, they come out.

the very definition of expanding the viewers.

To me, the irony of not keeping the race at Indy- it was the largest live F1 crowd by a huge margin. Although, it doesn't look that full....

So Austin was a better idea because it's so close to less people. The only real advantage is that it was close to Mexico so that it was easier for their fans to come up. And then do two races in a row.
 
You need to attend some vintage races. Although, it should be the super high end rich people toy ones that still race those cars. And their competitors.

Probably. I think the last car that gets me excited came off the production line in about 1957. Since then, everything looks like a Civic to me.
 
You need to attend some vintage races. Although, it should be the super high end rich people toy ones that still race those cars. And their competitors.

There is a great Vintage race next weekend at Watkins Glen… the home of road racing in America. Plus, as an added bonus, you can moon Russell as he drives-by in the pace car. :0)

The weather was less-than-desirable last year, but the folks involved with this event are so hard-core, they raced (yes, RACED!) vintage Bugattis in the rain. Nuts!… but awesome. You can check-out the cars up-close and talk with the owners, drivers, and mechanics (Kep - if you can control your arousal, of course). :0P
 
There is a great Vintage race next weekend at Watkins Glen… the home of road racing in America. Plus, as an added bonus, you can moon Russell as he drives-by in the pace car. :0)

The weather was less-than-desirable last year, but the folks involved with this event are so hard-core, they raced (yes, RACED!) vintage Bugattis in the rain. Nuts!… but awesome. You can check-out the cars up-close and talk with the owners, drivers, and mechanics (Kep - if you can control your arousal, of course). :0P

You can talk to the pace car driver, too ... as long as you don't moon him...

Right now, the weather looks perfect. 70s and no rain.

(I was stunned that even one, not to mention nearly the whole field, of Bugattis went out there in that rain. Each one has got to be over a million dollars. Love those cars of that era. I drooled all over them in the paddock studying them.)
 
The other than max race was pretty good. Ferrari is going to have an interesting post race meeting.

That Ferrari battle was amazing the last five laps. And some Hammertime out of Lewis once he got past Albon to get out of the penalty.

Street race next, so hopefully that can throw some variables and at least give us a different Red Bull winner.
 
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