Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Andretti Autosport has applied to the FIA for an F1 team.
Liberty Media rejoices.
Liberty Media rejoices.
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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?
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Russell Jaslow
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It’s a long, long ways between an application and actually putting a team together. But Michael sure is committed to getting into F1.
MichVandal
Well-known member
It sure seems that their best bet is to take over Haas. We know Gene is getting tired of spending money for these results, and Haas can't seem to get a really solid sponsorship. This year will be very key for the team staying the same name.
The cost to enter F1 as a new team is so high, I just can't fathom starting a team from scratch.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
No team is being sold because the value is way too high compared to the $200 million it takes to buy in.
With the cost caps is now significantly cheaper to start new than in the past.
MichVandal
Well-known member
Except that it's the cost of building everything, literally everything, PLUST $200M. Way cheaper to acquire Haas.
It's one thing to design the car, it's another to build the entire infrastructure to build it.
solovsfett
Registered User
I understand Andretti’s desire to run an F1 team but what happens IF he gets in whether it be by buying HAAS or some extraordinary luck in getting $$ to start from scratch? Does Michael believe he can stay in America while running an F1 team? Or does he go to Europe and someone else runs his Indy teams?
financially I don’t see how it makes sense to Andretti.
on another note the St. Pete Indy race was awesome!
Scott M with his first win and a very clean race and 200,000+ weekend attendance up 40% over 2019.
also, what’s this? https://youtu.be/UvWVaTXEhYs
a sponsor activating? About damn time!
financially I don’t see how it makes sense to Andretti.
on another note the St. Pete Indy race was awesome!
Scott M with his first win and a very clean race and 200,000+ weekend attendance up 40% over 2019.
also, what’s this? https://youtu.be/UvWVaTXEhYs
a sponsor activating? About damn time!
MichVandal
Well-known member
Given the race yesterday, shouldn't there be a new thread for 2022? Or just keep going with 2021?
I'm not really sure what Mike thinks he can get out of F1- from other boards, this really was a ground up proposal, with Renault being the powertrain supplier. But Haas just makes more sense- other than moving HQ from NC to Indy- which makes a lot of sense since open wheel racing in the US is there. I have little doubt he will follow the Haas model to minimise the unique work they would have to do.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
He's not going to be the team manager.
Just like Gene Haas continues to live in the States (remember he also has NASCAR teams), occasionally showing up at races, and has Guenther Steiner run the team from Europe, Andretti will have a similar setup.
solovsfett
Registered User
Just when F1 is getting exciting again (imo) Toto Wolff, Liberty Media and others have to ruin it.
why are they pissing on the Indy 500 tv coverage and Andretti’s attempt to start an F1 team? Are they really that insecure?
in 3 weeks INDY will have a crowd that absolutely dwarfs the biggest crowds that either F1 or nascar can get at ANY race. Is that still bothersome to these guys?
serious question. This weekend they’re going out of their way to publicly dismiss INDYCAR.
why are they pissing on the Indy 500 tv coverage and Andretti’s attempt to start an F1 team? Are they really that insecure?
in 3 weeks INDY will have a crowd that absolutely dwarfs the biggest crowds that either F1 or nascar can get at ANY race. Is that still bothersome to these guys?
serious question. This weekend they’re going out of their way to publicly dismiss INDYCAR.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Money.
solovsfett
Registered User
Are they fearful of INDYCAR returning to it’s early 90’s glory? It seems odd. I know they want to be the premier racing league (which they generally are) but it’s really off putting to read and hear their sniping at Indy.
MichVandal
Well-known member
WRT money, don’t forget that f1 and indycar are on different channels. It’s good business for liberty to crap on the Indy 500, even though the racing on that track is normally better than f1 races.
indy lost out big with nbcsn going away.
solovsfett
Registered User
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it certainly will be interesting to track the tv numbers and attendance at races this year and next for F1 and INDYCAR. I think “Drive To Survive” has rekindled American interest in open wheel racing in general.
re: Miami, solid race. Verstappen really is amazing. He outguts everyone in the field.
last week INDYCAR in Alabama qualifying and the race were both sold out. The shocking thing is 60% of the crowd was from out of state and from Europe etc. it’s like we used to see in Milwaukee in the 90’s. Union jacks and Brazilian flags in the crowd and license plates from like 15-20 different states and 1/2 the provinces in Canada.
it certainly will be interesting to track the tv numbers and attendance at races this year and next for F1 and INDYCAR. I think “Drive To Survive” has rekindled American interest in open wheel racing in general.
re: Miami, solid race. Verstappen really is amazing. He outguts everyone in the field.
last week INDYCAR in Alabama qualifying and the race were both sold out. The shocking thing is 60% of the crowd was from out of state and from Europe etc. it’s like we used to see in Milwaukee in the 90’s. Union jacks and Brazilian flags in the crowd and license plates from like 15-20 different states and 1/2 the provinces in Canada.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Indy will always be a threat to F1 as far as F1 is concerned, especially as F1 tries to gain a better foothold in the American market, because they're too similar in F1's mind.
Also a really good comment I saw re: Andretti trying to enter F1:
F1: We want a bigger share in the American market
Andretti: Hi
F1: No
aparch
Well-known member
I miss watching races at the Milwaukee Mile. I actually started watching occasional Indy races thanks to going to NASCAR races at the Mile, and learning of its ties to Indy car.
solovsfett
Registered User
Good point.
that coin et is both funny and sad. Andretti would really rev things up for American fans I think. He’d get Mario involved as a spokesman I would think. Win win. Or at least to be in commercials.
solovsfett
Registered User
The Mile is a great track. My dad started taking me to INDYCAR (champ car back then) races and ASA stock car races there in 1979 when I was 7.
saw some great drivers in both series: Mears, Foyt, Mario, JR, Johncock, Bobby and Al Unser then little Al and Michael on their way up, Greg Moore, etc
Joe Ruttman, Dick Trickle, Rusty Wallace, Mark Martin, Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip in ASA races. Fun times!
EDIT: damn I forgot I watched Alan Kulwicki race the mile as well in ASA before he jumped to nascar.
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Russell Jaslow
Registered User
There are many, many, many people in America like you. Which is why the U.S. ratings continuously set new records.
The rest of us say, "What took you so long?"
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
There are many, many, many people in America like you. Which is why the U.S. ratings continuously set new records.
The rest of us say, "What took you so long?"
The racing is fun. But man the intrigue and politics and flat out junior high school b1tchiness rivals The Bachelorette. That's just as much fun.
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