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Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
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manurespreader
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Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
Good indycar race yesterday. I feel sorry for Will Power though. he deserved to win.
Also there is a big meeting of high muckity mucks tomorrow in F1. https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/47691443
Good indycar race yesterday. I feel sorry for Will Power though. he deserved to win.
Also there is a big meeting of high muckity mucks tomorrow in F1. https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/47691443
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
I felt sorry for Will until he whined about the yellows and how luck is such a big factor. As if this is something super new to Indycar. It's been this way for his entire career, so you should get used to it. He's won races when other faster cars got caught in it, and lost them- it goes both ways. Heck, it even happens in F1- see his home race a year ago.
At that point, I'm reminded that his car broke, so it must have been his fault...
I felt sorry for Will until he whined about the yellows and how luck is such a big factor. As if this is something super new to Indycar. It's been this way for his entire career, so you should get used to it. He's won races when other faster cars got caught in it, and lost them- it goes both ways. Heck, it even happens in F1- see his home race a year ago.
At that point, I'm reminded that his car broke, so it must have been his fault...
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
I can't stand Power but he's not wrong. It needs to be fixed. And sure the 10 car that caused the yellow was banged up right at the pit lane entrance but just in general this is something that needs to be fixed.
Anyway, there were lots of good fights for positions in this race. Usually that lends to a good review. That being said, Power dominated prior to the car troubles which to some degree is boring if there is no fight for the top spot IMO. Then who lucks into the yellow flag lottery but Colton Herta. Look I like the kid and he is impressive. That being said, I have a hard time rooting for Harding after what they did to Chaves and then O'Ward. Generally they don't know what the crap they are doing and last year was a joke. Now they are kinda partnered up with Andretti (weird) and finally putting a good car out there as a result. Throw in this baby-faced millionaire Yankee heir team owner and I'm not liking this Harding stuff. Yankees!!! Boooo. But between Herta and the Andretti partnership and the Steinbrenner partnership they seem to have a good car and driver now with plenty of money to throw around to Barnharts and Al Unser Jrs. and the like so I guess we can expect them to be right in the mix of things with Penske and Chip and fellow(ish) Andretti cars.
I do like this Rosenquist guy and think that will help Dixon out.
I can't stand Power but he's not wrong. It needs to be fixed. And sure the 10 car that caused the yellow was banged up right at the pit lane entrance but just in general this is something that needs to be fixed.
Anyway, there were lots of good fights for positions in this race. Usually that lends to a good review. That being said, Power dominated prior to the car troubles which to some degree is boring if there is no fight for the top spot IMO. Then who lucks into the yellow flag lottery but Colton Herta. Look I like the kid and he is impressive. That being said, I have a hard time rooting for Harding after what they did to Chaves and then O'Ward. Generally they don't know what the crap they are doing and last year was a joke. Now they are kinda partnered up with Andretti (weird) and finally putting a good car out there as a result. Throw in this baby-faced millionaire Yankee heir team owner and I'm not liking this Harding stuff. Yankees!!! Boooo. But between Herta and the Andretti partnership and the Steinbrenner partnership they seem to have a good car and driver now with plenty of money to throw around to Barnharts and Al Unser Jrs. and the like so I guess we can expect them to be right in the mix of things with Penske and Chip and fellow(ish) Andretti cars.
I do like this Rosenquist guy and think that will help Dixon out.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
So how do you fix it?
How can you prevent people from taking a pit stop, then a yellow comes out, and the people who didn't pit are now at a disadvantage?
F1 has the exact same issue- leaders have been caught out even with VSC periods where people behind them got a huge advantage, let alone actual SC periods.
There was no way that you could not throw a full course yellow for that accident- as it was blocking pit entrance.
On top of that, Power has benefited by the exact same issue before- so for him to complain about it like that is really bad. That's really what sucked, to me. Whine when you lose out, but accept it when you win? No, that's not cool.
Still- I'm curious how that particular problem would be fixed.
So how do you fix it?
How can you prevent people from taking a pit stop, then a yellow comes out, and the people who didn't pit are now at a disadvantage?
F1 has the exact same issue- leaders have been caught out even with VSC periods where people behind them got a huge advantage, let alone actual SC periods.
There was no way that you could not throw a full course yellow for that accident- as it was blocking pit entrance.
On top of that, Power has benefited by the exact same issue before- so for him to complain about it like that is really bad. That's really what sucked, to me. Whine when you lose out, but accept it when you win? No, that's not cool.
Still- I'm curious how that particular problem would be fixed.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
BTW. F1 is really going to have major changes coming down the line. I think it will be good for the sport.
I don't feel bad for his pit timing in the least, what I feel bad for is that a 10 dollar part broke and cost him the race as he was the fastest. He's not my favorite on a person al level at all.
BTW. F1 is really going to have major changes coming down the line. I think it will be good for the sport.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
Aussies are not happy with Albert Park and somebody makes a suggestion
https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport...-f216-4ae7-b056-b0f93fc5f390?ocid=Social-WWOS
Aussies are not happy with Albert Park and somebody makes a suggestion
https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport...-f216-4ae7-b056-b0f93fc5f390?ocid=Social-WWOS
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
Read in miller’s Mailbag that Al Unser Jr. tested with Williams and I think Benetton in F1 in 1992. He ran a half second quicker than Ricardo Patrese and Damon Hill but Williams and Patrick Head were so ****ing arrogant when Jr asked about terms they told him “we only said we were interested” wow.
Read in miller’s Mailbag that Al Unser Jr. tested with Williams and I think Benetton in F1 in 1992. He ran a half second quicker than Ricardo Patrese and Damon Hill but Williams and Patrick Head were so ****ing arrogant when Jr asked about terms they told him “we only said we were interested” wow.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
Everybody is under a NDA, so you won't hear anything until Liberty Media is ready to reveal it all. And that won't be for awhile. Those meetings were just the first round. And so far, nothing has leaked.
Everybody is under a NDA, so you won't hear anything until Liberty Media is ready to reveal it all. And that won't be for awhile. Those meetings were just the first round. And so far, nothing has leaked.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
There's also talk about finding ways to change Yas Marina to improve passing.
There's also talk about finding ways to change Yas Marina to improve passing.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
Very interesting commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8J7MTc2nTw
Very interesting commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8J7MTc2nTw
solovsfett
Registered User
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
interesting. I bought a car from a guy once who had rolled it at Daytona and his family insisted he sell it after it was repaired. so i got it for cheap. I kept it one year.
On the F1 scene some of the items from the 2021 meeting are startng to leak out though nothing is decided. Here's what the rumor mill has going on: Cost cap. There will be a cost cap implemented and it will gradually get to about 180 million. This is a lot less than the big teams spent last year but more than most of the independents.
Race weekend time tables are going to be changed so that teams can spend 1 less day at the track. Still a 4 day weekend though.
Engines will be much the same but wilth some additional regulations on the dyno.
Body shapes will change. No more barge boards for instance.
Limits to how much of a car can be bought by another team, ( currently Haas buys the engine and the entire rear of the car from Ferrari) the aim being that B teams be somewhat more independent.
However, there is likely to be a spec transmission. ( most teams have a carbon fiber case now, except Williams who has metal)
Purses and revenue will change to give teams money for legacy wins and longevity in the sport and share the money more equally down the grid.
Now the big issues for Liberty is the cost of things and the promoters are revolting at the price to put on races. Right now, after this year there will be no British GP. Hopefully that can be ironed out but Liberty can't cut costs much without paying teams less.
interesting. I bought a car from a guy once who had rolled it at Daytona and his family insisted he sell it after it was repaired. so i got it for cheap. I kept it one year.
On the F1 scene some of the items from the 2021 meeting are startng to leak out though nothing is decided. Here's what the rumor mill has going on: Cost cap. There will be a cost cap implemented and it will gradually get to about 180 million. This is a lot less than the big teams spent last year but more than most of the independents.
Race weekend time tables are going to be changed so that teams can spend 1 less day at the track. Still a 4 day weekend though.
Engines will be much the same but wilth some additional regulations on the dyno.
Body shapes will change. No more barge boards for instance.
Limits to how much of a car can be bought by another team, ( currently Haas buys the engine and the entire rear of the car from Ferrari) the aim being that B teams be somewhat more independent.
However, there is likely to be a spec transmission. ( most teams have a carbon fiber case now, except Williams who has metal)
Purses and revenue will change to give teams money for legacy wins and longevity in the sport and share the money more equally down the grid.
Now the big issues for Liberty is the cost of things and the promoters are revolting at the price to put on races. Right now, after this year there will be no British GP. Hopefully that can be ironed out but Liberty can't cut costs much without paying teams less.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
A lot of guys on amateur racing won't talk about safelty but this guy is right on. If you saw the video of Hunter-Reay during the Wickens accident last year he puts his hands under his belts during the crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jo2-YWxH1Q
A lot of guys on amateur racing won't talk about safelty but this guy is right on. If you saw the video of Hunter-Reay during the Wickens accident last year he puts his hands under his belts during the crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jo2-YWxH1Q
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
Sad day for Leclerc fans, seeing his team screw him over like that. Have the pace, but first let Vettel by (for no increase of pace), and then horrible tire/pitting strategy- and you lose 3rd to 5th. More reason to not like Ferrari.
Pretty easy day for Mercedes given all of the Ferrari talk- Bottas never was threatened by either Ferrari in spite of the "extra power" that is supposed to be there. As I saw that- the ease they had will make the end of the season easier, since they are not really stressing the powertrain.
Good race days for Riccardo (who finished) and Albon (crash in P3 to 10th). And Kimi did a great job.
Sad day for Leclerc fans, seeing his team screw him over like that. Have the pace, but first let Vettel by (for no increase of pace), and then horrible tire/pitting strategy- and you lose 3rd to 5th. More reason to not like Ferrari.
Pretty easy day for Mercedes given all of the Ferrari talk- Bottas never was threatened by either Ferrari in spite of the "extra power" that is supposed to be there. As I saw that- the ease they had will make the end of the season easier, since they are not really stressing the powertrain.
Good race days for Riccardo (who finished) and Albon (crash in P3 to 10th). And Kimi did a great job.
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RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
It's always amazing to me how many guys, in this day and age, still don't take safety equipment seriously. Walking around the pits throughout the short track scene in the Midwest is eye opening... Just keeping belts up to date on lower level cars is astounding
Yes, I get that $150-200 is a high percentage in total value to have invested in Belts when you bought a Street Stock off a buddy for $5-7K. But no one thinks that anything bad will happen to them......
It's always amazing to me how many guys, in this day and age, still don't take safety equipment seriously. Walking around the pits throughout the short track scene in the Midwest is eye opening... Just keeping belts up to date on lower level cars is astounding
Yes, I get that $150-200 is a high percentage in total value to have invested in Belts when you bought a Street Stock off a buddy for $5-7K. But no one thinks that anything bad will happen to them......
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
Sébastien Vettel, whining crybaby entitled *****. He’s not 1/2 the driver as Prost or Mansell let alone the elite like Senna and Clark. He cracks EVERY time he’s under pressure.
Sébastien Vettel, whining crybaby entitled *****. He’s not 1/2 the driver as Prost or Mansell let alone the elite like Senna and Clark. He cracks EVERY time he’s under pressure.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
I went and looked at a car the other day which had a lot of small items done for safety. iI's been on the market 18 months. The shop owner who is selling the car for the owner, included things in his rebuild like anti decapitation bars. They are totally ugly, but he was the man who found a driver who had gone under the armco at Bridgehampton and was decapitated. He painted the exhaust orange to remind you it's hot don't touch. He getting a lot of criticism for the color. I don't know if I'll buy it or not but I appreciate the effort. I've seen a number of cars land on the neighbors cockpit after being bounced into the air.It's always amazing to me how many guys, in this day and age, still don't take safety equipment seriously. Walking around the pits throughout the short track scene in the Midwest is eye opening... Just keeping belts up to date on lower level cars is astounding
Yes, I get that $150-200 is a high percentage in total value to have invested in Belts when you bought a Street Stock off a buddy for $5-7K. But no one thinks that anything bad will happen to them......
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.
So FP1 didn't go so well for Baku.
First saw a manhole cover come up a little as LeClerc drove over it. And then later, Russel pulled it out of it's spot, destroying the underside of his car. Oops.
If that was not bad enough for the organizers (the cover should have been welded down), the truck carrying the Williams back to the pit hit a bridge, which broke the crane, and started draining hydraulic fluid all over the Williams.
Not a good start- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5f87xjg-m4
So FP1 didn't go so well for Baku.
First saw a manhole cover come up a little as LeClerc drove over it. And then later, Russel pulled it out of it's spot, destroying the underside of his car. Oops.
If that was not bad enough for the organizers (the cover should have been welded down), the truck carrying the Williams back to the pit hit a bridge, which broke the crane, and started draining hydraulic fluid all over the Williams.
Not a good start- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5f87xjg-m4