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Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

Nick Papagiorgio said:
Boy did that suck. Shocking to say the least.

This was my first Bump Day. Not a fan of it. I understand the tradition and all that and I am on board with that but lock the full-timers into the field. This is a double-points race and a driver 5th in the standings is now essentially done for the season. Huge implications as well for Leaders Circle money for Sam Schmidt. Yes they royally screwed the pooch. Rain really killed much of a window for bumping. Let the one-offs race to fill out the field. But at least guarantee entry to full-timers. I know people have interesting opinions about Pippa but she's amazing and it was brutal to see her miss out as well.

Anyway, feels like Chevy has an advantage this time around. Have to think Penske or ECR will be looking good next week. But.. anything can happen once pit windows open, yellow flags start flying, and backmarkers muddle the situation for guys in front. How about Fast Eddie laying down that pole like a boss?
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Chevy has an edge with the qualifying boost but on race day they should be more evenly matched.

I feel bad for the mayor but his team made some bad calls, and why wasn’t he in line an hour earlier?

Pippa I don’t know that well other than she tries to run Indy once in a while. I feel bad but those are the breaks at INDY.

I’d look for Carpenter’s team to give Penske all they can handle on race day. Patrick will run top 10 all day if her car doesn’t fail her.
 
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alfablue said:
There's nothing, really, to freak out about. Indy has a long history of drivers who can only afford to attempt that one race. And that sometimes comes at the expense of regular drivers. Given the stakes, there's more on the line for the one time driver vs. the regular one- as they have the rest of the season to make some money. And if they didn't go as fast as the 33rd fastest, when that's slower than over 10 one timers, well..., that sucks for you.

What I don't understand is the need for regulars to make it in at the expense of others. Just for the sake of making the show. That is part of the appeal of Indy.
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Hasn't it evolved to this point because without the 500 there is not a lot of money to be made and for all but the richest 2 or 3 teams missing the 500 can have a year long impact on the finances? I don't think this was an issue before the split. I would think that back in the days of packed houses at Milwaukee or Michigan for open wheel races, the ability for a great payday was not limited to one race a year. How much do teams really make from the races anywhere nowadays besides Indy?

I still like the traditional idea of the fastest 33 cars, no matter if 33 show up or 53. But the world of open wheel racing is so different now that it was a generation or more ago.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Hasn't it evolved to this point because without the 500 there is not a lot of money to be made and for all but the richest 2 or 3 teams missing the 500 can have a year long impact on the finances? I don't think this was an issue before the split. I would think that back in the days of packed houses at Milwaukee or Michigan for open wheel races, the ability for a great payday was not limited to one race a year. How much do teams really make from the races anywhere nowadays besides Indy?

I still like the traditional idea of the fastest 33 cars, no matter if 33 show up or 53. But the world of open wheel racing is so different now that it was a generation or more ago.
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I don't know, other than the payout at Indy makes it worth while to just make the field. Which is why you see so many one timers out there. And that goes many decades back.

Hinch's team should have done a better job- it's not as if they are that bad, they just did a bad job Saturday, and they need to deal with that.
 
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alfablue said:
I don't know, other than the payout at Indy makes it worth while to just make the field. Which is why you see so many one timers out there. And that goes many decades back.

Hinch's team should have done a better job- it's not as if they are that bad, they just did a bad job Saturday, and they need to deal with that.
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Not quite on the same level as the Penske failure in 1995 since both of his drivers missed, but I would not have bet on him being one of the 2 who were too slow to make it. They did seem to be caught off guard on pole day.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Not quite on the same level as the Penske failure in 1995 since both of his drivers missed, but I would not have bet on him being one of the 2 who were too slow to make it. They did seem to be caught off guard on pole day.
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And Wickens hit the wall yesterday and wrote off the car, which mean He'll be in a new car with almost no sorting. Don't look for him at the front.
 
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It's interesting to me that they really don't get a ton of time after qualifying in race trim. Just a few hours Monday and then Carb Day. This time last year I was prepping to drive 14 hours to Indy. What a trip that was. My kid talks about it every single week.
 
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Boring race. No pass for the lead and I think Will Power is as annoying as Vettel.

Too bad Helio and TK crashed out.

Good to see Ricciardo win Monaco.
 
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solovsfett said:
Boring race. No pass for the lead and I think Will Power is as annoying as Vettel.

Too bad Helio and TK crashed out.

Good to see Ricciardo win Monaco.
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Both races were pretty boring- for Ricciardo to have that bad of a problem, and Vettel not ever being even close to try a pass says a lot. Kind of a bummer that there's zero real chance of passing there.

Indy was odd that so many struggled with the set up. Lots of crashes from people you would not expect that from- it was more like F1 where following was such a big aero problem that one had to be significantly faster. It was interesting to see some of the drivers see if there would be an immediate restart yellow at the end- as they lost a lot more places pitting under green than had they done the same under yellow. Almost.
 
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alfablue said:
Both races were pretty boring- for Ricciardo to have that bad of a problem, and Vettel not ever being even close to try a pass says a lot. Kind of a bummer that there's zero real chance of passing there.

Indy was odd that so many struggled with the set up. Lots of crashes from people you would not expect that from- it was more like F1 where following was such a big aero problem that one had to be significantly faster. It was interesting to see some of the drivers see if there would be an immediate restart yellow at the end- as they lost a lot more places pitting under green than had they done the same under yellow. Almost.
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Well it's so hard to pass in both those races. I think Detroit will be a lot of fun to watch.

I've been bummed by how slow Williams is and how in jeopardy their future is if they don't get the car straight pretty quick.
I'd certainly like to see them do better.
 
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solovsfett said:
Boring race. No pass for the lead and I think Will Power is as annoying as Vettel.
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I've met Will Power a few times. And I knew his wife (she was a PR rep for various teams) before she married him. And he's a pretty cool guy. But, I know what you mean.

But, you have to admit his double finger salute to the race steward at New Hampshire was a thing of beauty...

Too bad Helio crashed out.
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Nope. Not too bad at all.

Good to see Ricciardo win Monaco.
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Absolutely.
 
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alfablue said:
I very much appreciate what Daniel did. It's what didn't happen behind him that sucks. The rest of the field had a pretty boring race- no point in taking a chance on super fast tires, as there's no point.
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It's not just Monaco that is boring. The passing opportunities are becoming much more rare. Hungary has very few for instance, F1 has been a procession on more than one occasion.. Having said that, most places Daniel would have finished about 8th.
I think Canada will be a good race but again, not a lot of passing.
 
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manurespreader said:
It's not just Monaco that is boring. The passing opportunities are becoming much more rare. Hungary has very few for instance, F1 has been a procession on more than one occasion.. Having said that, most places Daniel would have finished about 8th.
I think Canada will be a good race but again, not a lot of passing.
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Had that happened on any other track, he would have been pretty easily passed, including Hungary. And IMHO, the chance for cars that closed only to reach another car- and wipe out their tires.... etc. where they could change to the stickiest tires at the end- they would have at least tried. It was funny how there was speculation that someone would try, until Ocon closed the gap enough that you would have lost another spot.... Then we saw Ocon close on the leaders.

Don't get me wrong- I'd still LOVE to go to Monaco and see a race, but I just wish it was an actual race.
 
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alfablue said:
Had that happened on any other track, he would have been pretty easily passed, including Hungary. And IMHO, the chance for cars that closed only to reach another car- and wipe out their tires.... etc. where they could change to the stickiest tires at the end- they would have at least tried. It was funny how there was speculation that someone would try, until Ocon closed the gap enough that you would have lost another spot.... Then we saw Ocon close on the leaders.

Don't get me wrong- I'd still LOVE to go to Monaco and see a race, but I just wish it was an actual race.
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You don't go to Monaco to see a race. You go to see the unbelievable talent it takes to keep these cars between the walls. And of course, the spectacle...

As for Ricciardo, had that happened on any other track, they would have withdrawn the car. As you say, he would have dropped way back, and then the risk of serious damage to the engine would no longer be worth it.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
You don't go to Monaco to see a race. You go to see the unbelievable talent
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