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Ohio State Next Coach?
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Wicked Slappaahs
I miss Tie Domi
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Again I ask, what exactly would Buckeyes have against competing for and/or winning the league title on a consistent basis? Perhaps it is performance anxiety over the frequent trips to the NCAA that Shafer would likely bring? I agree with IthaCat that Mike is probably happy doing the lather, rinse and repeat thing in Ithaca, but for OSUers to say his brand of hockey isn't good enough is pretty funny.
Wicked Slappaahs
I miss Tie Domi
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Wow...is that underwhelming or what? The OSU A.D. seems to be channeling the cardigan wearing Al Franken from SNL: "...Mediocrity is OK, gosh-darned it !"
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Even without regard to ticket prices, expectations for the number of fans is entirely different. At the old Ice Rink, 1,800 was a sellout. That number is a major disappointment for any game held at the Schott. Let's say 5,000 fans is now the baseline figure. At the professional level, the Fairgrounds Coliseum holds around 5,000 for hockey. That's a decent minor league crowd, and the Columbus Chill regularly drew that. But with the NHL at Nationwide, less than 15,000 is a disappointment.
Expectations are rising, and that's good. People like Cammie Buckeye are simply realistic enough to know that we haven't yet reached the level of the hockey hotbeds.
We can discuss this further at the Posters' Game.
Hockey in Columbus has grown by leaps and bounds since your CAHA days. "Growing a niche" is a highly relative phrase in this context. The number of rinks, players, high school varsities and so on have all greatly increased. The amount of money spectators are spending on the sport also dwarfs the earlier era.
Even without regard to ticket prices, expectations for the number of fans is entirely different. At the old Ice Rink, 1,800 was a sellout. That number is a major disappointment for any game held at the Schott. Let's say 5,000 fans is now the baseline figure. At the professional level, the Fairgrounds Coliseum holds around 5,000 for hockey. That's a decent minor league crowd, and the Columbus Chill regularly drew that. But with the NHL at Nationwide, less than 15,000 is a disappointment.
Expectations are rising, and that's good. People like Cammie Buckeye are simply realistic enough to know that we haven't yet reached the level of the hockey hotbeds.
We can discuss this further at the Posters' Game.
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That's not really what I meant.
For sure, I know you CAN have success next year- the talent is there, yes.
What I am saying is that going after Blasi means that you fully expect a one year turn around, and if not, then the coach will have a black cloud over his head after one season. It's the implied cost of failure that I'm trying to point out- it's not about building a program, it's about winning last year. That's the message going after Richie would mean.
As for defending Markell- you have to remember my reference point, back in pre-Markell days, OSU was one of the worst teams in the CCHA, especially style of play- complete hacks, clutching and grabbing, and no real sense that they could win a game straight up. Markell changed that. But, he just could not finish the job. I'm not saying that OSU made a big mistake dropping him- he didn't live up to what he started, no doubt. But they sure did the right thing in hiring him in the first place. Had that not happened, I'm sure this would be the first "who's the next OSU coach" post.
I hate the buckeyes with a vengace, but I'm also not an idiot- strong schools need to support college hockey. If not for OSU, Miami's road to where they are now probably would have taken a lot longer, IMHO.
That's not really what I meant.
For sure, I know you CAN have success next year- the talent is there, yes.
What I am saying is that going after Blasi means that you fully expect a one year turn around, and if not, then the coach will have a black cloud over his head after one season. It's the implied cost of failure that I'm trying to point out- it's not about building a program, it's about winning last year. That's the message going after Richie would mean.
As for defending Markell- you have to remember my reference point, back in pre-Markell days, OSU was one of the worst teams in the CCHA, especially style of play- complete hacks, clutching and grabbing, and no real sense that they could win a game straight up. Markell changed that. But, he just could not finish the job. I'm not saying that OSU made a big mistake dropping him- he didn't live up to what he started, no doubt. But they sure did the right thing in hiring him in the first place. Had that not happened, I'm sure this would be the first "who's the next OSU coach" post.
I hate the buckeyes with a vengace, but I'm also not an idiot- strong schools need to support college hockey. If not for OSU, Miami's road to where they are now probably would have taken a lot longer, IMHO.
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Alfablue, we'll just have to agree to disagree on going after Enrico Blasi. If I'm the AD, I want the best possible coach for my program, and I disagree that going after Blasi sends a message that Gene Smith expects a one-year turnaround. If Gene Smith doesn't at least contact Blasi and ask him if he would be interested, which he probably won't be, then maybe we need a new athletic director, too. Why you think tOSU shouldn't go after the best coach they can get baffles me. No, actually it doesn't (see my comment earlier about rival fans wanting us to have a less-than-mediocre hockey program). I do agree with you about the state of our program before Markell took over. The things he was able to accomplish are the reason we now have expectations. His problem is he never got this program to the next level and in fact, the program has gone backward in recent seasons (One NCAA Tournament berth in the last five seasons). I honestly don't care who we bring in as long as the guy gets our program to the next level. I'm a little disturbed by the lack of expectations shown in Gene Smith's comments to the Plain Dealer. Sounds like he's attempting to replace John Markell with another John Markell (compete for CCHA Titles, occasional appearances in the NCAA Tournament, maybe once in a blue moon we get to the Frozen Four), very, very disturbing. I would liked to have read that he is looking for a coach that will have us competing for CCHA Titles every season and competing for National Titles on a regular basis (maybe not every season, but regularly). Sounds like Gene Smith wants to just bring in another Markell. OUCH.
Alfablue, we'll just have to agree to disagree on going after Enrico Blasi. If I'm the AD, I want the best possible coach for my program, and I disagree that going after Blasi sends a message that Gene Smith expects a one-year turnaround. If Gene Smith doesn't at least contact Blasi and ask him if he would be interested, which he probably won't be, then maybe we need a new athletic director, too. Why you think tOSU shouldn't go after the best coach they can get baffles me. No, actually it doesn't (see my comment earlier about rival fans wanting us to have a less-than-mediocre hockey program). I do agree with you about the state of our program before Markell took over. The things he was able to accomplish are the reason we now have expectations. His problem is he never got this program to the next level and in fact, the program has gone backward in recent seasons (One NCAA Tournament berth in the last five seasons). I honestly don't care who we bring in as long as the guy gets our program to the next level. I'm a little disturbed by the lack of expectations shown in Gene Smith's comments to the Plain Dealer. Sounds like he's attempting to replace John Markell with another John Markell (compete for CCHA Titles, occasional appearances in the NCAA Tournament, maybe once in a blue moon we get to the Frozen Four), very, very disturbing. I would liked to have read that he is looking for a coach that will have us competing for CCHA Titles every season and competing for National Titles on a regular basis (maybe not every season, but regularly). Sounds like Gene Smith wants to just bring in another Markell. OUCH.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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Why would signing Blasi as coach mean that one would expect a one year turn around? Signing Blasi to be the Buckeyes coach would mean the AD is expecting Blasi to take the program to another level and those things take time. No hockey coach is a one year turn around kind of guy.
Why would signing Blasi as coach mean that one would expect a one year turn around? Signing Blasi to be the Buckeyes coach would mean the AD is expecting Blasi to take the program to another level and those things take time. No hockey coach is a one year turn around kind of guy.
Hammer
We'll be back.
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Hope the plumbing is up to code.
Hey, with 12 home games at the Schott and 3000 fans per game, each fan only needs to eat 7 of the $4.00 hot dogs per game to make that $1,000,000.00 (assuming tOSU Athletics gets all the doggie $$). Not do difficult after all!!
Hope the plumbing is up to code.
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First, my assumption is that there's no way that Blasi would take it, unless the dollars were going to be huge.
So the point is that they are going to ask, and not get him, and he'll stay at Miami.
To me, that says two things- first, the athetic progam has no idea how to run a hockey program, and that they are going to rely on the best name they can get. (honestly, buckeyes, is Markell the ONLY problem, or just the biggest one?)
Second, since they don't know what it takes, going after blasi means that they are not interested in waiting for results. So if I'm choice 2, then maybe I want to think about what I'm getting myself into. Before signing, you would really want to take a look at the program, and how it fits into the overall scheme at Ohio State. If OSU isn't being realistic, this could be a short stay at a big school- granted, that could be quite profitable, but depending on how deep the problem is, it could be a long wait until you get the next chance.
Now, all of the above goes out the window if the actually get Ricky. But I just don't see that as realistic. Hockey is a sharper focus in Oxford, and gets too lost in Columbus.
Basically, my point is that don't go after blasi unless you KNOW he'll sign. Otherwise, going after him, and not getting sends the wrong message to other potential candidates. Again, that's just my opinion.
First, my assumption is that there's no way that Blasi would take it, unless the dollars were going to be huge.
So the point is that they are going to ask, and not get him, and he'll stay at Miami.
To me, that says two things- first, the athetic progam has no idea how to run a hockey program, and that they are going to rely on the best name they can get. (honestly, buckeyes, is Markell the ONLY problem, or just the biggest one?)
Second, since they don't know what it takes, going after blasi means that they are not interested in waiting for results. So if I'm choice 2, then maybe I want to think about what I'm getting myself into. Before signing, you would really want to take a look at the program, and how it fits into the overall scheme at Ohio State. If OSU isn't being realistic, this could be a short stay at a big school- granted, that could be quite profitable, but depending on how deep the problem is, it could be a long wait until you get the next chance.
Now, all of the above goes out the window if the actually get Ricky. But I just don't see that as realistic. Hockey is a sharper focus in Oxford, and gets too lost in Columbus.
Basically, my point is that don't go after blasi unless you KNOW he'll sign. Otherwise, going after him, and not getting sends the wrong message to other potential candidates. Again, that's just my opinion.
redhawkman10
Behind the bench
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He isn't going to OSU, not now nor ever. If you looker deeper into things going to a big school isn't what he is about. Not to mention the several other things he has going at Miami. He makes very good money there and osu would have to nearly double their budget to make it worth it and they won't take that money away from their other sports. Regardless, knowing him as well as I do he isn't leaving. So all this talk about it is just a waist of time....
He isn't going to OSU, not now nor ever. If you looker deeper into things going to a big school isn't what he is about. Not to mention the several other things he has going at Miami. He makes very good money there and osu would have to nearly double their budget to make it worth it and they won't take that money away from their other sports. Regardless, knowing him as well as I do he isn't leaving. So all this talk about it is just a waist of time....
GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
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Is that another reference to having to eat so many of those hot dogs?
So all this talk about it is just a waist of time....
Is that another reference to having to eat so many of those hot dogs?
OSUHockey09
Registered User
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I would like to see a coach who is personable and actually wants to interact with the fans. I feel like this is an area where Markell really lacked. I saw him before an exhibition game once and he was approaching and I figured he wanted to come talk to the 15 students who actually came out to see the boys when no one else did. Then I realized he only wanted to walk past me and could have cared less we were there. I don’t like women’s soccer at all, but because Lori Walker took the time to come speak to the students, I went and watched a few of the games. Coach Ryan is also the reason why I went to a wrestling match. I feel like if the students and fans feel like they are actually appreciated, more people will come to watch the games. I loved the addition of doing Carmen on the ice (most nights) after the game and the players skating over to the student section. Plus if they continue to let students in for free, I feel like they could really build on something for future years.
I would like to see a coach who is personable and actually wants to interact with the fans. I feel like this is an area where Markell really lacked. I saw him before an exhibition game once and he was approaching and I figured he wanted to come talk to the 15 students who actually came out to see the boys when no one else did. Then I realized he only wanted to walk past me and could have cared less we were there. I don’t like women’s soccer at all, but because Lori Walker took the time to come speak to the students, I went and watched a few of the games. Coach Ryan is also the reason why I went to a wrestling match. I feel like if the students and fans feel like they are actually appreciated, more people will come to watch the games. I loved the addition of doing Carmen on the ice (most nights) after the game and the players skating over to the student section. Plus if they continue to let students in for free, I feel like they could really build on something for future years.
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Well, I do have to admit that my opinion is pretty moot on this subject. But being a Columbus hockey player at one time, I just thought I'd butt in....
Well, I do have to admit that my opinion is pretty moot on this subject. But being a Columbus hockey player at one time, I just thought I'd butt in....
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Hey, I welcome other opinions. A buddy of mine once told me, "We can disagree, but that doesn't mean we have to be disagreeable." I know, as many others do, that Enrico Blasi would never come to OSU. I just feel that our athletic department not even offering or at least talking to him would be negligent. Plus, it would send a message that we're willing to "settle." Of course, based on what Gene Smith said to the Plain Dealer, it doesn't sound like he's looking for a coach of Blasi's caliber, anyway. No potential coach should be scared away from this job by the expectations because if you believe Smith's quotes in the Plain Dealer, it sounds like he doesn't really have any.
Well, I do have to admit that my opinion is pretty moot on this subject. But being a Columbus hockey player at one time, I just thought I'd butt in....
Hey, I welcome other opinions. A buddy of mine once told me, "We can disagree, but that doesn't mean we have to be disagreeable." I know, as many others do, that Enrico Blasi would never come to OSU. I just feel that our athletic department not even offering or at least talking to him would be negligent. Plus, it would send a message that we're willing to "settle." Of course, based on what Gene Smith said to the Plain Dealer, it doesn't sound like he's looking for a coach of Blasi's caliber, anyway. No potential coach should be scared away from this job by the expectations because if you believe Smith's quotes in the Plain Dealer, it sounds like he doesn't really have any.
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I read an article about WMU's search and it mentioned Rico being contacted as they reached out to hockey insiders and enthusiasts for help in their search. Maybe they didn't ask if he was available?! We do know he has ties to several of the finalists for that job. I agree with the point you have to ask him if he has interest, to not do so would indeed be negligent. I am sure that feelers have been put out there to gauge several high profile coach's interest.
I think we won't have definitive answers as to whom they will be interviewing until the FF is complete.
I read an article about WMU's search and it mentioned Rico being contacted as they reached out to hockey insiders and enthusiasts for help in their search. Maybe they didn't ask if he was available?! We do know he has ties to several of the finalists for that job. I agree with the point you have to ask him if he has interest, to not do so would indeed be negligent. I am sure that feelers have been put out there to gauge several high profile coach's interest.
I think we won't have definitive answers as to whom they will be interviewing until the FF is complete.
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WRT the 'ask Rico' question, my view is if you believe a candidate has the qualities you need to fill your position, you approach them. I am a partner in a small but (thankfully) expanding business, and we are working through the process of adding experienced talent to our company. We have a set of criteria we are applying, and we are approaching everyone we know who fits those criteria, even those who are highly unlikely to make a move. Why? because they are who we need and you never know unless you ask. Plus, if they are not interested in taking the postion, they have the qualities we value and are likely to be helpful in identifying additional candidates with similar qualities who might fill the needs we have. As for tOSU, we can continue to speculate as to the level of commitment the university has to the hockey program, however one thing is clear: although John brought the program back from the gates of hell, he was clearly lacking in key areas critical to effective coaching and for moving the program consistently to the highest levels (strategy and player development come immediately to mind, but the deficiencies don't end there). I agree that some institutional impediments to moving the program forward need to be addressed - bussing in full equipment and skate guards to practice? are you effin' kidding me??! - but a more skilled, insightfull and creative coaching staff would have achieved far more and more consistently than tOSU has in recent years. Whether he would even consider a move or not, Rico is one of the coaches out there who clearly has qualities tOSU needs in a coach. Not approaching him would be irresponsible IMHO. Just sayin'.
WRT the 'ask Rico' question, my view is if you believe a candidate has the qualities you need to fill your position, you approach them. I am a partner in a small but (thankfully) expanding business, and we are working through the process of adding experienced talent to our company. We have a set of criteria we are applying, and we are approaching everyone we know who fits those criteria, even those who are highly unlikely to make a move. Why? because they are who we need and you never know unless you ask. Plus, if they are not interested in taking the postion, they have the qualities we value and are likely to be helpful in identifying additional candidates with similar qualities who might fill the needs we have. As for tOSU, we can continue to speculate as to the level of commitment the university has to the hockey program, however one thing is clear: although John brought the program back from the gates of hell, he was clearly lacking in key areas critical to effective coaching and for moving the program consistently to the highest levels (strategy and player development come immediately to mind, but the deficiencies don't end there). I agree that some institutional impediments to moving the program forward need to be addressed - bussing in full equipment and skate guards to practice? are you effin' kidding me??! - but a more skilled, insightfull and creative coaching staff would have achieved far more and more consistently than tOSU has in recent years. Whether he would even consider a move or not, Rico is one of the coaches out there who clearly has qualities tOSU needs in a coach. Not approaching him would be irresponsible IMHO. Just sayin'.