Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

[Eeyore]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

How about this?

"**** off."

No. Given what had just happened, pgb's attempt to play the victim card was (and still is in this thread) deserving of nothing better than derision.

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

I apologize for nothing that I've said.

Of course you don't. You regularly post in ways that are uncalled for, and as far as I know have never apologized to anyone. Nor do you ever concede that an opposing fan has made a good point. Nor will you acknowledge that there are many questions on which reasonable people can differ. It's a major weakness on your part, and it significantly damages the quality of your posts.

With regard to hijacking the Scores and Results thread: Just to be fair, I ran through several pages of the thread to see if anyone else was using it as a platform to air grievances. If found one such case, and naturally it was one of your posts. That time you were mouthing off about UND allegedly having quit during a game; basically trying to pick a fight with any North Dakota fan that might come along. Some enjoy that kind of posting; I don't. To each their own. But I'm absolutely baffled as how you can believe that's an appropriate use of the Scores and Results space. Put the Pep Rally stuff on your team thread. Then, if an opposing fan enters, they've assumed the risk.

Ohio State plays a dangerous and inexcusable game and if it hurts pgb's feelings when someone points that out, too bad. I reacted angrily because it's a situation that deserves anger. If you want it to stop, figure out a way to get the Buckeyes to stop taking cheap shots.

You want a comment that's worthy of derision? You just made it. Just what is it that you imagine I'm capable of? That I have a secret room at BW-3, and I'm sitting at my keyboard, ordering dirty hits on opposing players?

No. Given what had just happened, pgb's attempt to play the victim card was (and still is in this thread) deserving of nothing better than derision.

I'm not a victim at all. I chose to push back, and I'm glad I did. Had I chosen just to turn the other cheek, maybe I would have felt like a victim in that case.

Everyone: I am genuinely concerned about the decline in quality of the Fan Forum as a whole -- meaning Men's Hockey, Women's Hockey, The Café, the works. I sincerely believe this would be a good off-season thread topic. The current dispute gave me an opportunity to mention my concern. But be assured that this little dust-up is nothing more than a single data point in the larger conversation. I'm not going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

pgb-ohio, I hope you don't get too discouraged by whatever negative (and undeserved!) feedback you've received. I think I can speak on behalf of the vast majority here that your contributions to this Forum have been very much appreciated.

Thank you very much for posting that. I've always enjoyed your posts as well.

Point: I should make clear that I haven't been personally targeted with tons of negative rep or anything of that nature. Much of the "larger conversation" involves things I've observed as a bystander, as opposed to being personally involved with. A common scenario is that I'll notice a thread topic I'm interested in and open it, only to find that most of the posts are nothing but tedious trash talk. My usual reaction is to close the thread without commenting. I suppose that makes me feel a little deprived, but it certainly doesn't make me a "victim."

Another angle is that the problem is more pronounced on the Men's Board than the Women's. A handful of long time posters have likely noticed that in recent years I've increased my posting on the Women's Board, using some of the time I used to spend on the Men's. A moment's self-reflection leads me to say that this is one reason that I feel especially strongly that the Women's Board is worth fighting for.

I'll save the rest for the off-season.

 

[Eeyore]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

Your team is hurting people and your big concern is that someone was mean to you in the scores thread by pointing it out. I think that says an awful lot about your priorities.

 

[pokechecker]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

Sportsmanship is usually far better in the women's game than the men's (players, not always fans). When a player doesn't show respect for her opponents, she stands out like a sore thumb. When it is the same player repeatedly, it's just disappointing. When Brook Garzone comes looking for you (I think that's her fourth penalty in three seasons), it's likely you've crossed a line.

correct on 4th
her first penalty of the year
the opposing player often gets that many in a game
my guess is that if you have access to the BC police reports over the years
you'd likely see a relative in it
probably more than once

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

Your team is hurting people and your big concern is that someone was mean to you in the scores thread by pointing it out. I think that says an awful lot about your priorities.

There are things in this world I'm powerless to change. There are other things that with some effort, I might be able to make a just bit better. It is well to know the difference.

Sadly the secret room at BW-3 is not real. Neither is the magic keyboard. Nor am I on the coaching staff; I have nothing to do with the game plan. Nor do I have the slightest influence on any of the players. Your belief that I, personally, can somehow be blamed for what happens on the ice is almost childlike. Daddy, Daddy! The Buckeyes are breaking the rules! Make it stop! Make it stop! Sorry, I'm not your Daddy. Nor can I make it stop.

Conversely, I have been a poster on USCHO for 15 years. I care about this community. If there's a chance that by stepping up with a few posts I can make this place more pleasant -- or at least slow the decline a little -- I'm happy to try. The positive rep that's been flowing in says I've already made a little progress.


To all those who have sent positive rep: I'm extremely grateful to each and every one of you.

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

Your team is hurting people and your big concern is that someone was mean to you in the scores thread by pointing it out. I think that says an awful lot about your priorities.

In an attempt to be fair, which at this point is probably a lost cause, there is a tone with your post that comes across as you personalizing what the team did on the ice to OSU supporters. pgb-ohio mentions this in his post and I think there is validity in asking for a little more decorum in posts. Something that is good for all of us to be reminded of.

 

[DC78-82]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

pgb-ohio, I hope you don't get too discouraged by whatever negative (and undeserved!) feedback you've received. I think I can speak on behalf of the vast majority here that your contributions to this Forum have been very much appreciated.

This!

 

[DC78-82]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

In an attempt to be fair, which at this point is probably a lost cause, there is a tone with your post that comes across as you personalizing what the team did on the ice to OSU supporters. pgb-ohio mentions this in his post and I think there is validity in asking for a little more decorum in posts. Something that is good for all of us to be reminded of.

And This~

 

[Trillium]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

I find this thread very disturbing, but not for the reasons you might think. I did not see these games, so I cannot comment on how dirty particular plays were, or whether the emotional reactions on this board are called for or not.

What bothers me most, is that this thread is microcosm of what I have seen happening throughout D1 far too often. This is not an OSU-Minnesota specific issue.

The overall quality of officiating is appallingly bad, and seems if anything to be getting worse, not better. Frankly, as bad as I thought youth club hockey league officiating was (PWHL), I can honestly say D1 officiating is consistently worse despite the presence of 4 on-ice officials. The number of games it has been an issue this season in the ECAC alone is escalating. Game after game, too many icing and offside calls are missed, sometimes resulting in goals, and/or with missed or wildly inconsistent penalty calls that have also certainly affected the outcome of many games. Referees too often simply watch the puck, and fail to see the dirty and often dangerous plays that occur behind the play. In some cases, they ignore blatant penalties and dangerous plays they do see right in front of them, particularly if it's not against what often seems to be their preferred team. A lack of consistency in calls against both teams, or throughout the entire game, is too typical. Even more importantly, the tolerance for hits which could result in serious injuries is as a general rule far too high. No one seems to care to make officiating quality a priority.

As a result, I have seen many cases where serious injuries have occurred which have shortened, and ended many college careers--often in situations with complete failure to make any penalty calls, much less those that would have been most appropriate. As a prime example, the fact that an alarming number of players have lost significant time to concussions is a direct result of officials who do not call hits to the head, whether inadvertent or not, automatically. Some of the plays resulting in serious injuries over the years have been blatantly dangerous, which officials either ignored or were oblivious to in their preoccupation with the puck. If video review is available for goals, why not for egregious penalties resulting in injury? Should there not be a process in such cases to submit game tape to the league, as in the NHL, to determine if a player and/or an officials should be subject to additional sanctions for their inappropriate conduct? Where are the officiating supervisors-- I've never seen one once?

The bottom line is that some players throughout the league will continue to goon it up as long as there is not sufficient disincentive to do so, and incompetent or inconsistent officials will not do a better job without the appropriate training, discipline and reward systems. The unfortunate consequence is that far too many players will continue to get unnecessarily injured. Let's hope it doesn't take life-altering injuries to see change from within. Maybe more players' families need to be initiating lawsuits every time someone gets injured in the meantime.

 

[pokechecker]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

I can honestly say D1 officiating is consistently worse despite the presence of 4 on-ice officials.

some would say the problem IS 4 on-ice officials (2 refs)

 

[KTDC]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

Thank you very much for posting that. I've always enjoyed your posts as well.

Point: I should make clear that I haven't been personally targeted with tons of negative rep or anything of that nature. Much of the "larger conversation" involves things I've observed as a bystander, as opposed to being personally involved with. A common scenario is that I'll notice a thread topic I'm interested in and open it, only to find that most of the posts are nothing but tedious trash talk. My usual reaction is to close the thread without commenting. I suppose that makes me feel a little deprived, but it certainly doesn't make me a "victim."

Another angle is that the problem is more pronounced on the Men's Board than the Women's. A handful of long time posters have likely noticed that in recent years I've increased my posting on the Women's Board, using some of the time I used to spend on the Men's. A moment's self-reflection leads me to say that this is one reason that I feel especially strongly that the Women's Board is worth fighting for.

I'll save the rest for the off-season.

pgb-my activity has only been for a little over a year and pretty much exclusively on the women's forum. The last few weeks I've been reading a few of the threads on the men's side….anyways, last week there was a Minnesota vs Michigan thread and it was virtually all trash talk and insults that was mostly about states and schools and not even hockey trash talk. It was bizarre. Made me think of this post of yours. Certainly don't want the women's forum to become anything resembling that

 

[ARM]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

The last few weeks I've been reading a few of the threads on the men's side….anyways, last week there was a Minnesota vs Michigan thread and it was virtually all trash talk and insults that was mostly about states and schools and not even hockey trash talk.

The irony is that some very good friendships grow out of the all that trash talking and bluster on the men's forum. While the women's forum for the most part is more civil (with the obvious exceptions), it also tends to be a bit more distant. Other than people like DC and Hux who know everybody in the country, there isn't the same level of intermingling of fan bases.

 

[KTDC]

The irony is that some very good friendships grow out of the all that trash talking and bluster on the men's forum. While the women's forum for the most part is more civil (with the obvious exceptions), it also tends to be a bit more distant. Other than people like DC and Hux who know everybody in the country, there isn't the same level of intermingling of fan bases.

Even that stuff exhibited in the Minnesota-Michigan thread? That's amazing to me! Although I have never been a trash talk kind of guy. For better AND for worse.

 

[ARM]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

Even that stuff exhibited in the Minnesota-Michigan thread?

I can't speak to that, but when you have some of the other big rivalries like UM vs UW or UM vs UND, there are the people who are truly irate, and then there are those who have been through this many times over the years who like to show up and watch and stir the pot a bit. A lot of that is more tongue in cheek than actually venomous, but unless you frequent those threads, it can be hard to tell who is who. In general, the people who have been on the forum for years and have huge post counts have come to some sort of truce. Not always -- there are people who seem to hate each other who probably actually do. But in a lot of cases, there are people who are going to step in if someone from their own fan base crosses a line with one of their friends from a rival team. The new posters don't know this and they think the war of words really is war, and they don't care if they get banned from the forum, because they don't plan to be here year round in any case.