Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

[KTDC]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

After two periods I was planning to say something nice about Ohio State and how they'd cleaned it up over the intervening 17 hours. Then Sara Schmitt destroyed Paige Haley into the end boards and I discarded that idea. The way Haley went off the ice it looked like a shoulder injury.

Sara Schmitt hitting Paige Haley from behind with her right arm and elbow into the boards on the video at 3:38:08. Dan on the audio and the guys doing the video all were shocked it was two minutes for Sara Schmitt. I was shocked it was two minutes. It was a really clean game until then.

Dan says on the audio: "If anything is blatant about a five minute major, that one is it right there".

 

[brookyone]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

After two periods I was planning to say something nice about Ohio State and how they'd cleaned it up over the intervening 17 hours. Then Sara Schmitt destroyed Paige Haley into the end boards and I discarded that idea. The way Haley went off the ice it looked like a shoulder injury.

Sara Schmitt hitting Paige Haley from behind with her right arm and elbow into the boards on the video at 3:38:08. Dan on the audio and the guys doing the video all were shocked it was two minutes for Sara Schmitt. I was shocked it was two minutes. It was a really clean game until then.

As was I. A minor on that was ridiculous in my opinion. Truthfully, I think a DQ would be insufficient.

 

[ARM]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

The officials ruled that it was from the side. As they were with troubling frequency over the weekend, the officials were incorrect.

 

[Eeyore]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

The officials ruled that it was from the side. As they were with troubling frequency over the weekend, the officials were incorrect.

I'm pretty sure that the officiating crew was picking up the men's feed from Mankato.

Edit: Even if it hadn't been from behind I thought that hit was clearly five minutes worth of charging or boarding, take your pick. The WCHA absolutely has to start instructing the officials to tighten up their calls and then discipline them if they don't.

But Greg Shepard is in charge, so I don't expect anything to happen except maybe hiring his nephew to look into it.

 

[D2D]

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After two periods I was planning to say something nice about Ohio State and how they'd cleaned it up over the intervening 17 hours. Then Sara Schmitt destroyed Paige Haley into the end boards and I discarded that idea. The way Haley went off the ice it looked like a shoulder injury.

I could not believe the referee gave Schmitt only a minor penalty on that play. The call was almost as brutal as the hit.

Edit: posted before noticing the other posts above on Page 2!

 

[ne7minder]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

The officials ruled that it was from the side. As they were with troubling frequency over the weekend, the officials were incorrect.

They were regularly unable to identify offsides or icing how could they ever recognize a more complex call?

 

[ne7minder]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

After two periods I was planning to say something nice about Ohio State and how they'd cleaned it up over the intervening 17 hours. Then Sara Schmitt destroyed Paige Haley into the end boards and I discarded that idea. The way Haley went off the ice it looked like a shoulder injury.

Agreed. It was a pretty decent game until that nasty pile of Schmitt decided to injure somebody. It would be nice to think the WCHA would care enough to try to put a stop to this sort of crap but thats not gonna happen. Maybe someday we'll have the joy of someone carted off on a gurney to the Courage Center for quadriplegic recover and they can all pretend t be shocked & upset that such a thing would happen.

 

[osualum86]

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As an OSU Women's Hockey supporter, and someone who respects the other programs, it's disappointing to hear about all of Ohio State's dives and cheap shots. The Buckeyes obviously do not have the talent that Minnesota does, but they have enough good players that they should not be resorting to diving and playing dirty. Sad and disappointed to hear that they played that way. There's no reason or excuse to play like that. Having said that, congratulations to the Gophers on getting 5/6 points this weekend and best wishes in the postseason. I think your team has the personnel to go the distance this season. Three NCAA Titles in the last four years would be amazing.

 

[ARM]

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As an OSU Women's Hockey supporter, and someone who respects the other programs, it's disappointing to hear about all of Ohio State's dives and cheap shots.

I don't know that it was as systemic as some would suggest. There are certainly teams in the league that are more likely to dive than what I saw from OSU. The plays by Gagne and S. Schmitt were bad, because those are the kind that can end careers, or worse. At the end of the day, we want everybody on both teams to be able to walk away from the rink. Everything else pales in comparison to that. Bad as those are, I realize that they are split-second decisions, and sometimes the wrong one is made. In the case of McKinnon's play, there is no way I can spin it to find anything positive to say. She's one of your most talented players, and I wish she would stick to playing hockey and quit with the nonsense.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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As an OSU Women's Hockey supporter, and someone who respects the other programs, it's disappointing to hear about all of Ohio State's dives and cheap shots.

Agreed. Building on that, there's no excuse for an intent to injure/check from behind penalty. Plain and simple, it has no place in our sport, Men's or Women's. I've posted this sentiment before, but have no problem taking a moment to repeat it.

I don't know that it was as systemic as some would suggest. There are certainly teams in the league that are more likely to dive than what I saw from OSU.

I suspected as much; thanks for taking the time to post that. You truly post from a national perspective, and it is greatly appreciated. Personally I strive to do the same, but know I don't do as well.

Sadly, much of the board seems to be moving in another direction. Trash talking and picking fights with opposing fans has always been a part of sports talk on the internet. But I've always believed that USCHO was better than most, meaning more national than most. I've further believed that the Women's Hockey Board was an especially good place to exchange thoughts with fans from other schools. Now, I'm not so sure.

Friday night I was on the receiving end of a sucker punch on the Scores and Results thread. The Scores and Results Thread! If there's any place on the entire website that should strictly limited to the facts, entirely free from trash talk, that's the one.

I'm not all that worried about the specific words. While no one wants to see their screen name dragged through the mud, it was just a short, recycled insult. But I am bothered that a bright line was crossed. Are we really so angry with one another that we're unable to live up to even the most basic posting conventions?

Anymore, I'm beginning to wonder if posting on Fan Forum is worth the bother. Maybe a thinking person is better off focusing primarily on the staff pieces -- Wednesday Women being at the very top of the "good guy" list. Something to reflect on in the calm of the off-season.

One promise to everyone: If I ever do decide reduce or eliminate my time on the Fan Forum, it will NOT be because I've decided to betray OSU Hockey. It will happen if the petty disagreements and pep rally insults outweigh the value of the conversation. It's becoming a close call.

 

[D2D]

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pgb-ohio, I hope you don't get too discouraged by whatever negative (and undeserved!) feedback you've received. I think I can speak on behalf of the vast majority here that your contributions to this Forum have been very much appreciated.

 

[KTDC]

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Similarly to D2D, I very much like the fact that the Ohio State fan base has good representation on the forum and I am absolutely convinced of the goodwill of the posters.

The things I have said about the OSU team make me uncomfortable and I much prefer feeling respect for an opponent. But when I experience fear for the safety of our players I really hate it.

 

[CrazyDave]

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pgb-ohio, I hope you don't get too discouraged by whatever negative (and undeserved!) feedback you've received. I think I can speak on behalf of the vast majority here that your contributions to this Forum have been very much appreciated.

Similarly to D2D, I very much like the fact that the Ohio State fan base has good representation on the forum and I am absolutely convinced of the goodwill of the posters.

I will just echo this by saying "ditto." pgb-ohio (and osualum86), please continue the good work... I appreciate the support you give to your team.

 

[mwactdir]

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At no point in either game over the weekend was the play overly physical. McKinnon's shot after the whistle should have immediately been an unsportsmanlike penalty. However, the ref didn't call it until a couple minutes later after the Gopher's McMillen came over and took a couple of swings at her along with Garzone. Kepler then entered the fray. Solid officiating would have ended that.
However, to say the mighty Gophers were innocent little victims isn't correct. Watch the game tapes and see Lorence come up high on our defensemen twice after the call against Ranahan for the same thing.
Anyone who has gone to games at UND and UMD should know that this series was very tame in comparison.

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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At no point in either game over the weekend was the play overly physical. McKinnon's shot after the whistle should have immediately been an unsportsmanlike penalty. However, the ref didn't call it until a couple minutes later after the Gopher's McMillen came over and took a couple of swings at her along with Garzone. Kepler then entered the fray. Solid officiating would have ended that.
However, to say the mighty Gophers were innocent little victims isn't correct. Watch the game tapes and see Lorence come up high on our defensemen twice after the call against Ranahan for the same thing.
Anyone who has gone to games at UND and UMD should know that this series was very tame in comparison.

So, the check from behind, the hip check, and taking Page Haley into the boards weren't "overly" physical?

 

[Puckdrop14]

Re: Ohio State @ Minnesota 1/30 - 1/31

At no point in either game over the weekend was the play overly physical. McKinnon's shot after the whistle should have immediately been an unsportsmanlike penalty. However, the ref didn't call it until a couple minutes later after the Gopher's McMillen came over and took a couple of swings at her along with Garzone. Kepler then entered the fray. Solid officiating would have ended that.
However, to say the mighty Gophers were innocent little victims isn't correct. Watch the game tapes and see Lorence come up high on our defensemen twice after the call against Ranahan for the same thing.
Anyone who has gone to games at UND and UMD should know that this series was very tame in comparison.

I am not a partisan of either team but do know players on both teams. I watched the Friday game and part of Saturday's game and what I saw on Friday from OSU was a team that played hard, forechecked hard and really forced the Gophers to make mistakes.The hits thrown by the OSU players were obviously unintentional as the plan for any player isn't to be thrown out of a game and not play against the league's best team. They were penalized and I would agree that a 5 minute penalty should have been called on Schmidt in Saturday's game. Lay into the official for that. What I also observed in both games is how the Gopher players are continuously in the crease area chipping away at the Buckeye goalies. Great strategy but one that led to many of the scrums that we observed all weekend. The shot after the whistle was a play from minor hockey and should have been penalized immediately. UM would have been on the power play as they should have and the rough stuff after that play wasn't called would have been avoided. I would suggest that OSU played the Gophers as they should have (minus the major and questionable hits) and should be pleased with their weekend. The Gophers are extremely skilled and playing them dirty will not pay dividends as you want to minimize their time on the power play. Read the game recaps and nowhere are the coaches suggesting that the opponents were not up to the challenge.

I was also very disappointed with comments posted by some of the fans on this thread following game one in particular. There were some very disrespectful and nasty comments made that have no place on this forum. Not what I would expect to see from adults! Sad...........

 

[KTDC]

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I am not a partisan of either team but do know players on both teams. I watched the Friday game and part of Saturday's game and what I saw on Friday from OSU was a team that played hard, forechecked hard and really forced the Gophers to make mistakes.The hits thrown by the OSU players were obviously unintentional as the plan for any player isn't to be thrown out of a game and not play against the league's best team. They were penalized and I would agree that a 5 minute penalty should have been called on Schmidt in Saturday's game. Lay into the official for that. What I also observed in both games is how the Gopher players are continuously in the crease area chipping away at the Buckeye goalies. Great strategy but one that led to many of the scrums that we observed all weekend. The shot after the whistle was a play from minor hockey and should have been penalized immediately. UM would have been on the power play as they should have and the rough stuff after that play wasn't called would have been avoided. I would suggest that OSU played the Gophers as they should have (minus the major and questionable hits) and should be pleased with their weekend. The Gophers are extremely skilled and playing them dirty will not pay dividends as you want to minimize their time on the power play. Read the game recaps and nowhere are the coaches suggesting that the opponents were not up to the challenge.

I was also very disappointed with comments posted by some of the fans on this thread following game one in particular. There were some very disrespectful and nasty comments made that have no place on this forum. Not what I would expect to see from adults! Sad...........

Basically, I agree with almost all of this. I think Ohio State played well, especially Friday. I know the Gophers play hard and aren't innocent victims. I would have felt a lot better about all this if Sara Schmitt had been given a major penalty on Saturday. I think that really messed up the game. And it bummed me out with Paige Haley laying on the ice and Rachael Bona laying on the ice the night before, and I remembered having a bad feeling after one of the games in Columbus last season and Sarah Davis laying on the ice.

But I don't want to overreact, or be insulting to people, or not recognize the game for what it is.

 

[Puckdrop14]

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Basically, I agree with almost all of this. I think Ohio State played well, especially Friday. I know the Gophers play hard and aren't innocent victims. I would have felt a lot better about all this if Sara Schmitt had been given a major penalty on Saturday. I think that really messed up the game. And it bummed me out with Paige Haley laying on the ice and Rachael Bona laying on the ice the night before, and I remembered having a bad feeling after one of the games in Columbus last season and Sarah Davis laying on the ice.

But I don't want to overreact, or be insulting to people, or not recognize the game for what it is.

Understand and am good with your comments. Eeyore however did cross the line numerous times on the weekend and believe that he should be banned from posting for a while.

 

[Eeyore]

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Understand and am good with your comments. Eeyore however did cross the line numerous times on the weekend and believe that he should be banned from posting for a while.

I apologize for nothing that I've said. You want facts? ARM's wrong because it is systemic. Ohio State has picked up a major penalty against the Gophers in each of the last four years plus others that should have been majors. They seem to make an awful lot of bad split second decisions. They tolerate Julia McKinnon, who seems to start things on a regular basis.

Ohio State plays a dangerous and inexcusable game and if it hurts pgb's feelings when someone points that out, too bad. I reacted angrily because it's a situation that deserves anger. If you want it to stop, figure out a way to get the Buckeyes to stop taking cheap shots.

 

[Blackbeard]

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I apologize for nothing that I've said.

How about this?

"**** off."