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Ohio State Buckeyes 2022-2023 ... The Drive For Duluth

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Hockeybuckeye said:
From Osualum86's post.

They must not be aware that we lost 12 players after the 22-23 season (5 fifth year seniors, 5 players went into the transfer portal, and 2 seniors who decided not to stay for their extra year).
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I am not aware of "seniors who decided not to stay for their extra year". I know that there's a name listed on the portal web sites who doesn't even appear on the roster - Alaina Giampietro. I didn't include her either way, staying or going.

The roster page for 2022-23 at the OSU web site lists 13 forwards. I count 17 for 2023-24, and that is accounting for the two transferring out. Do I have that wrong somehow? We could just list the names?
 
osualum86 said:
Hockeybuckeye, you will have to excuse the trolls. Guess they expected Coach to just stick with 10 forwards (6 + the 4 recruits), 4 Ds, and 4 goalies and have NO depth whatsoever. #SMFH

They must not be aware that we lost 12 players after the 22-23 season (5 fifth year seniors, 5 players went into the transfer portal, and 2 seniors who decided not to stay for their extra year).

The fact that the trolls have to come here and denigrate Coach Muzerall every time she brings in another transfer says more about them than it does our Coach.

We lost 12 players from last year's team. She has brought in 10 new players to replace them. Apparently, that is a problem for some.
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Looking at instagram accounts for a few minutes, it's apparent that Brooke Bink is one of the "2 seniors who decided not to stay". (I wasn't able to suss the other; many of the accounts for the other 'candidates' are 'private'.)

So here's my question: chicken or egg? Did Bink and the other decide to not use their fifth year, which caused Muzzerall to need to go looking for replacements? Or did Muzzerall sign up a pack of transfers, which made it apparent to Bink that she would drop to 4th line or worse, causing her to decide to hang it up?

Because if it is the latter, that's part of what rubs me the wrong way about it all. And I guess others, too. Your post reads like you want to imply it was the former. But was it?
 
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robertearle said:
Looking at instagram accounts for a few minutes, it's apparent that Brooke Bink is one of the "2 seniors who decided not to stay". (I wasn't able to suss the other; many of the accounts for the other 'candidates' are 'private'.)

So here's my question: chicken or egg? Did Bink and the other decide to not use their fifth year, which caused Muzzerall to need to go looking for replacements? Or did Muzzerall sign up a pack of transfers, which made it apparent to Bink that she would drop to 4th line or worse, causing her to decide to hang it up?

Because if it is the latter, that's part of what rubs me the wrong way about it all. And I guess others, too. Your post reads like you want to imply it was the former. But was it?
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it’s not rec hockey. I don’t love this transfer stuff but between covid and new transfers rules here we are. Bink and Parent should be proud of their 4 years. The players that grind it out who don’t get a ton of ice time don’t have an easy job. A reasonable fan can conclude that they weren’t going to get a fifth year whether replaced by a transfer or a freshman.

What about the younger Shirley that left Wisconsin? Does that rub you the wrong way? She ran out of ice time the same way these OSU players are.

The knife cuts both ways as I said before. Even Penn State. Would they have won 2 trophies this year without their transfers? This is the landscape for better or worse.
 
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Lindsay said:
it’s not rec hockey. I don’t love this transfer stuff but between covid and new transfers rules here we are. Bink and Parent should be proud of their 4 years. The players that grind it out who don’t get a ton of ice time don’t have an easy job. A reasonable fan can conclude that they weren’t going to get a fifth year whether replaced by a transfer or a freshman.

What about the younger Shirley that left Wisconsin? Does that rub you the wrong way? She ran out of ice time the same way these OSU players are.

The knife cuts both ways as I said before. Even Penn State. Would they have won 2 trophies this year without their transfers? This is the landscape for better or worse.
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Bink has been a solid 3rd liner her whole time at OSU. Grace Shirley has been 4th line her entire time. So while Grace might be the closest on the UW roster to Bink in terms of school class and 'graduation', etc, she isn't a particularly apt comparison in terms of playing time.

Beyond that, Bink has FIVE transfer forwards being brought in that are likely to bump her down or off the chart this year (and if we look at past years, that number climbs even higher); Grace Shirley has ZERO forwards transferring in in front of her. That's where the comparison breaks down entirely.

I understand that it's the life of a team athlete; there's always somebody coming for your job. But Muzzerall turns that up to 11.
 
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robertearle said:
Bink has been a solid 3rd liner her whole time at OSU. Grace Shirley has been 4th line her entire time. So while Grace might be the closest on the UW roster to Bink in terms of school class and 'graduation', etc, she isn't a particularly apt comparison in terms of playing time.

Beyond that, Bink has FIVE transfer forwards being brought in that are likely to bump her down or off the chart this year (and if we look at past years, that number climbs even higher); Grace Shirley has ZERO forwards transferring in in front of her. That's where the comparison breaks down entirely.

I understand that it's the life of a team athlete; there's always somebody coming for your job. But Muzzerall turns that up to 11.
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What he said.
 
Don't forget that if they've graduated this spring, to take up that fifth year they'd have to enroll in grad school and may not want to take their education to the next level. After their fifth year of hockey, no more scholarship money to help pay for it. If mom and dad aren't broke yet from all those years of hockey or very rich how would a girl who hasn't entered the job market yet pay for it?
 
robertearle said:
Adding as I mull it over some more, it is also WAY more likely that Bink and Parent (I'll assume she's the other) are losing scholarship money than it is Grace Shirley is. Again, because of five incoming 'high profile' transfers.
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Shirley lost ice time to numerous transfers over the years. Why do you refuse to admit that MJ makes the tough decisions too? I think there was even talk on the Wisco thread about having too many D now and playing some at forward.

You have no idea about people’s scholarships or financial situations.

Once again when St. Cloud loaded up the portal, the points of the outgoing players was given as a justification. Why OSU doesn’t get that grace I don’t know.
 
Lindsay said:
Shirley lost ice time to numerous transfers over the years. Why do you refuse to admit that MJ makes the tough decisions too? I think there was even talk on the Wisco thread about having too many D now and playing some at forward.

You have no idea about people’s scholarships or financial situations.

Once again when St. Cloud loaded up the portal, the points of the outgoing players was given as a justification. Why OSU doesn’t get that grace I don’t know.
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Maybe we have a different definition of "lost ice time".

Grace Shirley was 4th line her entire career at Wisconsin. Had she come back for her COVID year, she'd quite likely have been 4th line again; she would NOT have been bumped to 'not dressing'. That is, in my mind, she would not have "lost ice time".

I hope she does better at her next team. Go get'em Grace.

Brooke Bink was a 3rd liner who was looking at being bumped down to 4th or maybe off the lineup altogether. That to me is losing ice time. VERY different than Grace Shirley's situation at UW.

No, I don't know who is or is not on scholarship. I *hate* having to even consider the question. But I do know that once a SA graduates, whatever guarantee an NLI in the Big Ten had held for them disappears. And once more, who's more likely to be getting 'discretionary' scholarship money, the 3rd liner whose bumping down to 4th line, or the high profile transfer?

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(Unless I missed someone, there were two transfers at forward at Wisconsin during Grace Shirley's years: Daryl Watts and Jesse Compher. One might argue that Lacey Eden was/is a transfer, but seeing as she never actually enrolled or played anywhere else, I would not. Contrast that with the five Ohio St is bringing in just this year.)
 
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robertearle said:
Adding as I mull it over some more, it is also WAY more likely that Bink and Parent (I'll assume she's the other) are losing scholarship money than it is Grace Shirley is. Again, because of five incoming 'high profile' transfers.
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They are not “losing” scholarship money. They played four years at OSU. One has 1 point this year and one has 9. Zero obligation of the coach to bring them back for a fifth year. Not connected to the program but I just looked at the stats at year end and guessed these two would not return.
 
Lindsay said:
This is the whole point. She’s not coming back. Not everyone gets a fifth year!
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It's not my "whole point".

My whole point is that Grace wasn't 'forced' out. Had she come back to Wisconsin, she'd have been in the same position she has been in her other years, and it would have VERY little to do with transfer players..

That is VERY different than the position that Muzerall and OSU have put Brooke Bink in. Had Bink come back, she'd have been forced by the multiple transfers onto the bench and maybe off the bench altogether.

You can keep trying to equate the two, but they are simple not 'equal'.
 
There isn't a "right" side to this, and we all tend to react differently when it is a player transferring into or out of "our" program versus one across the border. Whether or not a WI forward has been bumped by transfers, it is obvious that a lot of prep-recruited goalies did lose a lot of minutes in net in Madison in recent years. There is a lot of room for disagreement before branding every dissenting voice a troll.

If one thinks tOSU is being abused for its use of the portal, just imagine what the reaction would have been had the entire rise of the program resulted solely on the blades of transfers. Each coach makes decisions based on what they think is best for their program. My only question with how Coach Muzerall is currently approaching the portal is, "Is it sustainable?" Much of the traffic in the portal will slow down in a couple of years when there will be a scarcity of players with a fifth season at their disposal. At that point, it may be more difficult to attract preps if the word around the rink is that some programs are less loyal than others when it comes to commitment to their recruits.
 
I, find it hard to belive that Coach Muzerall who
has been the Head Coach at tOSU for 7 years
(befor the transfer portal) and an assist Coach at
UofM for 5 year's plus a former player at UofM
with a total of 6 National Titles would care for her
players and approach the game in such a juvenile
nanner. Their is a reason why EVERY single elite
player in the transfer portal CHOSE to play for
tOSU ... you didn't think Minn and
Wis didn't try to land those athletes or the East
teams.... those athletes' emails and cells were blowing up
They could have gone anywhere in the county. So
maybe the question should be why didn't they
want Wis or Minn or the East
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Sierra said:
So maybe the question should be why didn't they
want Wis or Minn or the East
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Or maybe it's not just a question of want. There could very well be other reasons, the answers to which we'll never know.
 
ARM said:
Much of the traffic in the portal will slow down in a couple of years when there will be a scarcity of players with a fifth season at their disposal. At that point, it may be more difficult to attract preps if the word around the rink is that some programs are less loyal than others when it comes to commitment to their recruits.
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Agreed!
 
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