Official 2009-2010 Miami Season Thread

[redhawkman10]

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I agree with you on Vaive. I think Justin's hurt by fans' expectations a bit. I think that people expected him to step right for Ryan Jones - which is not fair. I think he's a great talent but he's got to get better at finishing in front of the net - something at which Jonesy was just brilliant. Is it me or did JV relied a little too much on his size the past 2 years, which led to inflated penalty minutes and limited ice time. So far he's doing much better this year.

It is extremely unfair to compare him to jonesy, they are completely two different players. If people honestly expected him to fill jonesy's shoes then they don't understand hockey. Vaive isn't a skill player, Jones was a skilled player. Vaive is great at using leverage. He has grown into his body a little more and he is able to play under control which is why his PIM are down. He also is understanding the game better, he knows his role is below the hash and primarily in front of the net. He isn't ever going to have great hands and be able to finish that well, but he will score some goals for you because of his understanding of the game. He has also become a much better defesnive forward using his long reach in a positive manor. When judging Justin you can't look at stats because where he is most important and where he is playing well are in areas that don't show up on the stat sheet.

 

[RicoForPresident]

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As a current student, I hear people ragging on JV all the time which is of course absurd. These people automatically think 6'6" means you go out there and blow people up. Of course, these people have no real hockey knowledge, so I guess it's no big deal. I've been very satisfied with the way he's been playing this year. He's embraced his role well and hopefully he will be rewarded on the stat sheet at some point.

 

[mcfarljd]

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I could see Vaive being a 10 goal scorer, 20 point guy next season if he keeps it up in front of the net and buries the rebounds.

That's pretty funny about RMU, looks like they were tracking us for most of the year hoping we could stay up front. Wonder how the crowd will be at that game.

 

[redhawk95]

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That's pretty funny about RMU, looks like they were tracking us for most of the year hoping we could stay up front. Wonder how the crowd will be at that game.

There is an alumni group that has secured "Igloo Level" tickets and a private concession area. I can't imagine there will be a big crowd, but I'll be there the wife and daughter. We went over the last time we played in their "gym" in Moon Township and it was fun. Hit the Children's Museum and a few other things in downtown Pittsburgh. Got a hotel for $60 on priceline so we're set! Just need to buy our tickets. Here's some info for those interested.



Friday, January 8 at 8:00 pm - Miami at Robert Morris. This is the final game of a 'pay one price' tripleheader, starting at 2:00 with UConn - Robert Morris women's game, followed at 5:00 by the RMU-Penn St. club game, then our game at 8.

We have a large block of tickets reserved for Miami fans! These tickets are in the 'West Igloo' section - W2 & W3. These are great, reserved seats at center ice and we have a nice private concession area behind the seats for us to mingle before the game and between periods.

We have a discounted price of $15.75/ticket, plus $5 fee per order. (Reg. price = $17) To order your tickets, call Mellon Arena Group Sales at 412-642-1977 and request tickets in the Miami University section.

 

[redhawkman10]

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As a current student, I hear people ragging on JV all the time which is of course absurd. These people automatically think 6'6" means you go out there and blow people up. Of course, these people have no real hockey knowledge, so I guess it's no big deal. I've been very satisfied with the way he's been playing this year. He's embraced his role well and hopefully he will be rewarded on the stat sheet at some point.

Well you hit the nail on the head, those people are just ignorant.

Vaive has played well, and I said it his freshman year he would blossom. I don't think he has ever played poorly during his tenure. I know some have been hard on him, not to name names .

JD- I think he could as well, but those aren't jonesy type numbers. He had a very nice goal from the slot a couple weeks ago. He isn't the type to go around and blow people up either, that just isn't the way Miami plays so if he tried it he wouldn't get much ice. He has learned his position well and is playing well. I don't think it is fair to ask much more of him.

 

[redhawk95]

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Saw on the NHL Network ticker that Alec Martinez has been recalled by Western Conference leader (wow) Los Angeles. Apparently Jack Johnson is hurt and will miss Thursday's game in Calgary and Wayne Simmonds was placed on IR by the Kings.

Interestingly, former Buckeye Corey Elkins made his NHL debut the other night for the Kings and faired pretty well.

http://bit.ly/8n2Ljy

 

[mcfarljd]

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Well you hit the nail on the head, those people are just ignorant.

Vaive has played well, and I said it his freshman year he would blossom. I don't think he has ever played poorly during his tenure. I know some have been hard on him, not to name names .

JD- I think he could as well, but those aren't jonesy type numbers. He had a very nice goal from the slot a couple weeks ago. He isn't the type to go around and blow people up either, that just isn't the way Miami plays so if he tried it he wouldn't get much ice. He has learned his position well and is playing well. I don't think it is fair to ask much more of him.

With the depth of scoring and the talent that Miami is able to recruit nowadays, it will be rare to find someone to put up the numbers that Jones did in regards to goal scoring. You can look back to when we had Edwardson/Kompon/Hogeboom, an excellent trio, who all put up nearly 50 points in their senior season, but were all unselfish and fed the puck well and set up others for scoring opportunities. Jones finished with 90-57--146 in 161 games. His points total will almost undoubtedly be broken by Camper (as long as he remains healthy, knock on wood) and others soon to come, but that goal mark, which he had 82 of in his last three seasons, will be hard to match.

 

[redhawkman10]

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With the depth of scoring and the talent that Miami is able to recruit nowadays, it will be rare to find someone to put up the numbers that Jones did in regards to goal scoring. You can look back to when we had Edwardson/Kompon/Hogeboom, an excellent trio, who all put up nearly 50 points in their senior season, but were all unselfish and fed the puck well and set up others for scoring opportunities. Jones finished with 90-57--146 in 161 games. His points total will almost undoubtedly be broken by Camper (as long as he remains healthy, knock on wood) and others soon to come, but that goal mark, which he had 82 of in his last three seasons, will be hard to match.

Well I disagree JD. I think because Miami is able to recruit great talent you will see guys that put up those kind of numbers. It has been rare in Miami to get guys like that, but because they are getting more talented players I think it will happen more than the past and not less. Jones set the bar so high that guys are going to go for it. Players like McKenzie and R. Smith have the ability to do it. Especially with looking at some of the guys coming in and the numbers they have put up in juniors or prep school. These guys are goal scorers and yea they may be on a team with other goal scorers it only makes it easier for them to put up those numbers. If Jones had more than just Davis around he would of put up better numbers, IMO. As would of Edwardson, Kompon, and Hogeboom. Those guys were targeted because Miami didn't have much depth. But now that they do teams can't pin point on one guy to shut down, these guys are getting more space because of it and putting up good numbers.

 

[mcfarljd]

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I was thinking more in the theory that because we won't have to rely on one player the scoring will be more spread out. Jones used to be double shifted in tight games and we continually roll four now. Any night it can be camper wingles Palmer miele cannone smith McKenzie that could take over a game now but before we just out it all on Jones usually and he would pull through. I do agree though that since a team can't single out one line with this team and lines 1 through 3 are all serious scoring threats it will be hard to keep people from putting up numbers

 

[redhawkman10]

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I was thinking more in the theory that because we won't have to rely on one player the scoring will be more spread out. Jones used to be double shifted in tight games and we continually roll four now. Any night it can be camper wingles Palmer miele cannone smith McKenzie that could take over a game now but before we just out it all on Jones usually and he would pull through. I do agree though that since a team can't single out one line with this team and lines 1 through 3 are all serious scoring threats it will be hard to keep people from putting up numbers

Yea I went through the current players year by year. And it is noticeable just by looking at the current roster how the scoring has been spread out but the guys have produced to a high level.

 

[RedhawkBandMan]

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I think we need to compromise. Let's have the scoring spread evenly across all of our current "scoring threats", and let's have all of them score at a frequency greater than or equal to that of Jones at the peak of his collegiate career. Then we would have nothing to worry about.

Darn the holiday hockey hiatus...

 

[redhawkman10]

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I think we need to compromise. Let's have the scoring spread evenly across all of our current "scoring threats", and let's have all of them score at a frequency greater than or equal to that of Jones at the peak of his collegiate career. Then we would have nothing to worry about.

Darn the holiday hockey hiatus...

If you look at some of them and what they have done over their careers, some of them are doing that. Miele will be hurt by only playing half of his freshman year, but Camper is doing it and Wingles and Cannone are close. Both wingles and cannone could hit the 100 pt mark this season as well if they have solid second halfs.

One things I saw when looking at Campers numbers is that in his first two season's he went through droughts as well and still put up 40 pts. He had his drought early this year but is picking it up. One thing that stood out to me is that in Miami's last 15 games last year he only had 10 pts. Also if he didn't miss those 10 games his freshman year he could be on pace for 200 pts.

 

[mcfarljd]

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Also if he didn't miss those 10 games his freshman year he could be on pace for 200 pts.

He also would have easily walked away with the CCHA rookie of the year hardware, which I still think he got robbed on.

I do agree some of these young kids are great at lighting the lamp, Mullin, Gacek, and I read that Biggs had a line of 40-48--88 playing in Toronto last year as a 15 year old.

Wingles and Cannone will definitely break the century club, and could do it this year, with at least 18 games left on the schedule (16 + 2 CCHA tourney games), they can come close but it may take some more big games or a long run to hit the mark. Miele was hurt by missing that first half of his freshmen year so is a little bit further behind at 64 points. Four players in the same class with the potential to hit the 100 point mark, these kids are really somethin.

 

[redhawkman10]

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He also would have easily walked away with the CCHA rookie of the year hardware, which I still think he got robbed on.

I do agree some of these young kids are great at lighting the lamp, Mullin, Gacek, and I read that Biggs had a line of 40-48--88 playing in Toronto last year as a 15 year old.

Wingles and Cannone will definitely break the century club, and could do it this year, with at least 18 games left on the schedule (16 + 2 CCHA tourney games), they can come close but it may take some more big games or a long run to hit the mark. Miele was hurt by missing that first half of his freshmen year so is a little bit further behind at 64 points. Four players in the same class with the potential to hit the 100 point mark, these kids are really somethin.

Yea a minimum of 18 games left, although I am hoping more like 20-22 games left. You are right these kids are something and I believe those 4 will all have 100 pts. That has never happened before and makes my point that it can happen. Just look at these numbers they are putting up and I believe Camper will get over 160 pts and pass Jones. Biggs is a prolific scorer, he isn't putting up monster numbers but he is 17 and playing in the USHL. I think you are forgetting about Berschbach in those young players you are talking about, he put up great numbers last year and is doing well this year also. IMO having more talent gives you more of an ability to have a lot of guys put up big numbers. I think if Jonesy had someone else besides davis he would of put up bigger numbers than he did.

 

[redhawk95]

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Biggs won't be 17 until April.

 

[mcfarljd]

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Yea a minimum of 18 games left, although I am hoping more like 20-22 games left. You are right these kids are something and I believe those 4 will all have 100 pts. That has never happened before and makes my point that it can happen. Just look at these numbers they are putting up and I believe Camper will get over 160 pts and pass Jones. Biggs is a prolific scorer, he isn't putting up monster numbers but he is 17 and playing in the USHL. I think you are forgetting about Berschbach in those young players you are talking about, he put up great numbers last year and is doing well this year also. IMO having more talent gives you more of an ability to have a lot of guys put up big numbers. I think if Jonesy had someone else besides davis he would of put up bigger numbers than he did.

let alone davis' shoulder injuries late in his career didn't help to take much pressure off jonesy. i don't put much stock into the U17 clubs numbers just yet, they are all 16/17 year olds playing against upwards of 20 year olds. they'll take their lumps, as you can see by their record, but it will certainly help them become better players because of it and we should really see points production next season i think. currently biggs is 3rd on his team in goals, and leads in penalty minutes. like father like son haha.

 

[mcfarljd]

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speaking of jones... he's back up with the preds again, getting about 10 minutes a game, and he has scored a goal in each of his last 4 games (including tonight against edmonton).

 

[RicoForPresident]

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speaking of jones... he's back up with the preds again, getting about 10 minutes a game, and he has scored a goal in each of his last 4 games (including tonight against edmonton).

Got a chance to catch the end of the Preds/Wings game last Saturday night, and he was playing very well. He was skating circles around the Wings and Osgood had to make a couple of big saves on him to preserve the game. Good to see him making the most of his 10 minutes a night. Hope it continues, unless they're playing my Wings.

 

[redhawkman10]

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Biggs won't be 17 until April.

Even more impressive, playing against kids who's average age is 2 yrs older than him only makes you better. Also take into consideration he isn't done growing yet...

 

[redhawkman10]

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let alone davis' shoulder injuries late in his career didn't help to take much pressure off jonesy. i don't put much stock into the U17 clubs numbers just yet, they are all 16/17 year olds playing against upwards of 20 year olds. they'll take their lumps, as you can see by their record, but it will certainly help them become better players because of it and we should really see points production next season i think. currently biggs is 3rd on his team in goals, and leads in penalty minutes. like father like son haha.

Well Davis didn't hurt his shoulder until their senior year. But he had camper and palmer to lean on that year. If he had more than Davis his sophmore and junior year he would of had 50 + points each year as would of Davis. Thats why majority of the guys leading the country in scoring play on mediocre to poor teams because they rely on one player and don't have depth. Teams that have depth don't have guys lead the country in scoring, typically there are always exceptions.