Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gives?

[dave1381]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

The NCAA generally tries to aim for roughly 20-25% of teams to make the NCAA tournament and then roughly half of the tournament be autobids. So we'll definitely get a 4th autobid eventually I'm sure. 5 with an 8-team tournament? Not likely. You'd probably see expansion to 12 by then.

 

[gojackets]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

The NCAA generally tries to aim for roughly 20-25% of teams to make the NCAA tournament and then roughly half of the tournament be autobids. So we'll definitely get a 4th autobid eventually I'm sure. 5 with an 8-team tournament? Not likely. You'd probably see expansion to 12 by then.

i know your talking D1 but d3 is completely different. they have 1 playoff spot for every 6.5 teams...and 5 autobids in a 7 team tournament

 

[Skate79]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

I think the Ivies need to drop out of the ECAC and just play a 24 game schedule within the Ivy league, with five non-league games. Then the ECAC adds RIT, while the CHA adds Penn State. Those leagues play 24 league games, plus 8-10 non-conference games like Hockey East. That gives you five auto-bids and three at large bids.

Won't happen. Harvard, Cornell and Dartmouth will never go for it. Hurts their recruiting. Also Harvard has a history with SLU and that would be broken under your scenario unless you are saying the the out of conference games for the Ivies will include the ECAC. Then you take away opportunities to play the WCHA and Hockey East. That hurts competitively and in recruiting. A losing proposition for the Ivies.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

i know your talking D1 but d3 is completely different. they have 1 playoff spot for every 6.5 teams...and 5 autobids in a 7 team tournament

There is one more leagues in D3 and many more teams creatign larger leagues. ~30 teams in D1, ~50 in D3. This creates the 3 vs 5 autobid scenario. D3 will not get to an eight team field until a certain total number of D3 teams.

 

[IceIsNice]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Sounds like a way to reward mediocrity, creating 5 NCAA auto bids increases the likelihood that a quality team or two get left out. We should be looking at ways to ensure the best 8 teams get a shot. With a likely down year from MH the addition of Penn State would mean a guaranteed spot for an un-qualified team. Frankly it would be better to eliminate auto bids altogether. BTW I know PSU is not joining next year, just making the point.

Granddaddyscout, you had a couple of typos and missing words in your post. Let me help you a bit....

Sounds like a way to reward mediocrity, creating 5 NCAA auto bids increases the likelihood that a WCHA team or two get left out. We should be looking at ways to ensure that all 8 WCHA teams get a shot.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Granddaddyscout, you had a couple of typos and missing words in your post. Let me help you a bit....

Sounds like a way to reward mediocrity, creating 5 NCAA auto bids increases the likelihood that a WCHA team or two get left out. We should be looking at ways to ensure that all 8 WCHA teams get a shot.

Touché.

 

[granddaddyscout]

Granddaddyscout, you had a couple of typos and missing words in your post. Let me help you a bit....

Sounds like a way to reward mediocrity, creating 5 NCAA auto bids increases the likelihood that a WCHA team or two get left out. We should be looki









ng at ways to ensure that all 8 WCHA teams get a shot.

Only need room for 4 to 5 WCHA teams each year so the system works for us, just trying to help you get the best teams from the east. BTW how about that CC vs BC men's game last night... OUCH!! Didn't CC finish 5th in the WCHA? Let's wait for the East to win more than a semi-final before you talk any more trash. Sound good

 

[IceIsNice]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Funny that you turn to the men's side to help fuel your argument! Give CC their due for a well played upset, but let's see..... trying to remember where the last three men's national champions were from.... umm... Boston, ahhhhhh.... Boston, and............. oh, um, yeah,I remember, ....... BOSTON!

 

[brookyone]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Funny that you turn to the men's side to help fuel your argument!

Kind of an ironic criticism from the cheap shot artist who completely alters peoples posts with fabricated quotations.

Maybe you can hack into collegehockeystats and alter the results to create your own convenient reality as you're fond of doing with granddaddyscout's posts.

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mbc_cc_1.m25

 

[IceIsNice]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Kind of an ironic criticism from the cheap shot artist who completely alters peoples posts with fabricated quotations.

Maybe you can hack into collegehockeystats and alter the results to create your own convenient reality as you're fond of doing with granddaddyscout's posts.

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mbc_cc_1.m25

Brooky, "fabricated"? Come on!! GDS's earlier post CLEARLY had a subliminal message to it! All I did was remove the thin veil!

 

[brookyone]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Brooky, "fabricated"? Come on!! GDS's earlier post CLEARLY had a subliminal message to it! All I did was remove the thin veil!

At times it does read as if some brainwashing has occurred, though I don't know how subliminal the source may have been. Perhaps a little subliminal coercion took place at some point...along the lines of multiple whacks on the head with a sledgehammer while forced to repeat "the WCHA is not superior" "the WCHA is not superior" "the WCHA is not superior." I can see where that could be pretty effective...subliminally.

Why...I feel as though a haze has been lifted away from my noodle.

 

[D2D]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

No. 1 overall seed goes down to UMD:

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mmndyal1.m26

 

[brookyone]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

No. 1 overall seed goes down to UMD:

Battle of the Bulldogs.

 

[granddaddyscout]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Brooky, "fabricated"? Come on!! GDS's earlier post CLEARLY had a subliminal message to it! All I did was remove the thin veil!

I don't post subliminal messages thinly veiled or not, hence my popularity with folks from the east. I am not why I have had this effect on folks since many other say the same things although often less directly. So let me clear things up on my positions;

1. Going to 5 autobids - Why? If the goal is really to draw the 8 best teams. All it does is set aside spots that can go to teams that win unexpectedly during a conference playoff. Personally I don't think we should have any autobids with only 8 spots available.

2. Strength of the WCHA - Clearly I do not believe that the top 8 teams reside there. I do think, as several others have posted as well, that the WCHA is the strongest conference by a substantial margin. In fact I believe that Mankato and SCS would have significantly better records had they been in different conferences or played as independants. If I recall correctly the top 6 WCHA teasm all made an appearance in the top 10, 4 finished in the top 10/8 depending on the poll source and the other 2 were in the top 15. In my opinion none of the polls or the NCAA system fairly account for that strength of schedule factor. Finally I think UND would have played Cornell better than Dartmouth did and was a more deserving team for a bid. Of course they would have played UW not Cornell in the first round forcing a UMD vs UM match up.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

1. Going to 5 autobids - Why? If the goal is really to draw the 8 best teams. All it does is set aside spots that can go to teams that win unexpectedly during a conference playoff. Personally I don't think we should have any autobids with only 8 spots available.

The goal of the NCAA is not to draw the best 8/16/32/68 teams for the tournaments. It is first to draw all the autobid winners and then to fill out the rest of the field with the top remaining teams. If a conference meets the autobid requirements then it gets an autobid. It is highly unlikely that the schools from the lesser conferences will vote to give up the autobids.

Sean

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

The goal of the NCAA is not to draw the best 8/16/32/68 teams for the tournaments. It is first to draw all the autobid winners and then to fill out the rest of the field with the top remaining teams. If a conference meets the autobid requirements then it gets an autobid. It is highly unlikely that the schools from the lesser conferences will vote to give up the autobids.

Sean

Agreed, and maybe GDS should simply be gratefull that there are some at large bids, allowing for second and third place teams from strong conferences to enter.

In Canada only the league winners, plus a host and an extra team from the conference of the previous years winner get to attend. With that system you would have seen in the NCAA this year Cornell, BC, Mercyhurst, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Syracuse. (The latter as the CHA rep, since Mercy was already the host). All of the tourneys up here work that way, including the Mem cup.

 

[born2sk8]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

yeah sure, but Wisconsin needed some degree of success before it could start recruiting that caliber of player from the east coast. The 04-05 Badgers did not have any New England superstars.

Players from the East have historically stayed to play on the east coast. Coach Johnson took over in 02-03. I would guess players did not migrate West until then because Wisco was not yet an ELITE program. It's what that coach does with that talent that will eventually determine the program's success.

Look at Duluth and how Miller was the first coach to bring over Europeans. She brought that team to the ELITE level. She even managed to win a National Championship with a depleted squad. Sounds like a good coach who gets the best out of her palyers.

Kind of makes me wonder why Ohio State and Barto can't seem to do much. They have all the talent in the world but fail to accomplish much each and every season. Will be interesting to see if any changes are made in the near future.

 

[granddaddyscout]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

The goal of the NCAA is not to draw the best 8/16/32/68 teams for the tournaments. It is first to draw all the autobid winners and then to fill out the rest of the field with the top remaining teams. If a conference meets the autobid requirements then it gets an autobid. It is highly unlikely that the schools from the lesser conferences will vote to give up the autobids.

Sean

Well assuming that is correct that is exactly why I am opposed to more autobids. I would love to have someone point out an example of how the lack of autobids has hurt the bracket at any point in the past. Contrast that with the potential for a fluke victory causing an autobid to cause an well deserving team to miss out. There doesn't seem to be any reason at all to work towards more autobids in my opinion until the talent pool broaders. Just my opinion.

 

[granddaddyscout]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Players from the East have historically stayed to play on the east coast. Coach Johnson took over in 02-03. I would guess players did not migrate West until then because Wisco was not yet an ELITE program. It's what that coach does with that talent that will eventually determine the program's success.

Look at Duluth and how Miller was the first coach to bring over Europeans. She brought that team to the ELITE level. She even managed to win a National Championship with a depleted squad. Sounds like a good coach who gets the best out of her palyers.

Kind of makes me wonder why Ohio State and Barto can't seem to do much. They have all the talent in the world but fail to accomplish much each and every season. Will be interesting to see if any changes are made in the near future.

No team has had less success than the Buckeyes given the talant on their roster if you ask me. Unfortunatly I don't think there will be any changes as the leadership doesn't evaluate women's hockey the same way they evaluate their men's sports.

 

[UCONN FAN]

Re: Off season topic:West remains supreme in D1; East remains dominate in D3. What gi

Well assuming that is correct that is exactly why I am opposed to more autobids. I would love to have someone point out an example of how the lack of autobids has hurt the bracket at any point in the past. Contrast that with the potential for a fluke victory causing an autobid to cause an well deserving team to miss out. There doesn't seem to be any reason at all to work towards more autobids in my opinion until the talent pool broaders. Just my opinion.

Pains me to say it but I agree.