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Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

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Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Income mobility = stagnation.

War is peace.

Try again. mobility across quintiles, deciles, whatever, can depend on a variety of factors, including the range of income....could a country with less opportunity, for whatever reason, have a tighter income distribution? Could movement between those quintiles happen more frequently due to the tighter range? Sounds plausible to me. Do you think it is possible income is tied to age and perhaps just an aging population could impact the income mobility in a country?

In the US you can start a small pizza chain and end up a multi-millionaire, you can sell rubber bracelets and make millions, you can invent (or steal) a social networking idea and make billions, you can drop out of the school daddy paid for you to attend and start a small software company and end up one of the richest people in the world, you can play golf and make hundreds of millions of dollars...whether we are just lucky as Kepler would contend, or we have more smart people, or we have one of the largest and most affluent markets, or all three of those plus another 20 reasons...it appears that there is more opportunity to earn a very large income in the US. We should apologize for that. And the taxes from those incomes fund more of what the government does than any amount of hand-wringing ever will...of course, I don't believe there are twenty people that were all set to make $300k a year until Bill Gates took their income by making millions himself...I'm really not aware of a cap on total US income and every person making more than the average forces somebody else to go hungry.

Since heredity plays a part in intelligence, I'm not suprised that many wealthy people had wealthy parents. If your parents work and earn an above average income, assuming they weren't just 'lucky' then you might inherit more than just money, could be intelligence, creativity, risk taking, work ethic...and maybe, just maybe that would have an impact on your income...but I'm just spitballin' here.
 
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Since heredity plays a part in intelligence, I'm not suprised that many wealthy people had wealthy parents. If your parents work and earn an above average income, assuming they weren't just 'lucky' then you might inherit more than just money, could be intelligence, creativity, risk taking, work ethic...and maybe, just maybe that would have an impact on your income...but I'm just spitballin' here.

That's a good point. I'm not sure how you can control for skewing in natural talent when studying how much of an impact one's parents' status has on one's own performance, and I would think that it would influence income mobility.
 
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I am the lay audience. I didn't mean to come off as some sort of expert. But I believe in that video they make deflation sound like the cat's pajamas, when there are some problems that come along with it. Isn't some low level of inflation the "ideal" that we aim for?
Here's the kicker: when the Fed calculates inflation, it excludes food and energy. Nah, nobody buys gas or groceries, so who give a **** how much they cost? :p

Deflation in and of itself isn't a bad thing - that really depends on its cause (economic expansion + productivity growth or a collapse in demand).
 
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I'm a little disappointed Kepler... You act as though presidential influence hits right as they take office. I thought this whole mess we're in is Bush's fault. Funny how in 1982(ish) the rate starts going down again. In 2000 it appears the poverty rate was already on the rise when Bush took office. So, like I said, I'm disappointed in that last bit.

Do you really expect him to praise the successes of Ronald Reagan? I mean he prefers a Republican party which tells all the peasants to shut up and place nice with their social betters.
 
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Do you really expect him to praise the successes of Ronald Reagan? I mean he prefers a Republican party which tells all the peasants to shut up and place nice with their social betters.

Says the president of the local chapter of the Young, Dumb, and Full of Cum Republicans club. ;)
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

mobility across quintiles, deciles, whatever, can depend on a variety of factors, including the range of income....could a country with less opportunity, for whatever reason, have a tighter income distribution? Could movement between those quintiles happen more frequently due to the tighter range? Sounds plausible to me. Do you think it is possible income is tied to age and perhaps just an aging population could impact the income mobility in a country?

These are all interesting and plausible hypotheses that should be considered when analyzing the data. I like all of them.

In the US you can start a small pizza chain and end up a multi-millionaire, you can sell rubber bracelets and make millions, you can invent (or steal) a social networking idea and make billions, you can drop out of the school daddy paid for you to attend and start a small software company and end up one of the richest people in the world, you can play golf and make hundreds of millions of dollars...

You can do this in any country. Anecdotes are no substitute for actually crunching the numbers.

If I were you, I would make this argument: look at migration patterns of people seeking economic opportunity. That is a good argument.

whether we are just lucky as Kepler would contend

OK, now I'm starting to think you are deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I said the inheritors are lucky. I even said the first ancestors who made the fortunes were successful.

Since heredity plays a part in intelligence, I'm not suprised that many wealthy people had wealthy parents. If your parents work and earn an above average income, assuming they weren't just 'lucky' then you might inherit more than just money, could be intelligence, creativity, risk taking, work ethic...and maybe, just maybe that would have an impact on your income...but I'm just spitballin' here.

This is probably a bad road to go down, for all of us. Any aristocracy can make the same rationalization. It is in fact the classic justification of nepotism. I know you don't mean it that way, but if you are sincerely interested in a meritocracy, throw everybody in the Yahtzee shaker every generation. That way I know my surgeon (or my president) isn't just the mediocre offspring of some very smart, hard-working ancestor.
 
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I'm a little disappointed Kepler... You act as though presidential influence hits right as they take office. I thought this whole mess we're in is Bush's fault. Funny how in 1982(ish) the rate starts going down again. In 2000 it appears the poverty rate was already on the rise when Bush took office. So, like I said, I'm disappointed in that last bit.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter nights." — Raymond Chandler

I agree there is a lag effect. I was referring to overall political trends. For instance, doesn't anybody remember that Carter was actually a southern conservative Democrat who beat out the liberal wing of the Democratic party in 1976? The country was already well on its way to cutting back on social welfare programs by then. Reagan doesn't represent the defeat of welfare for the poor, he represents the hijacking of that movement for the benefit of the rich rather than the middle class.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Deflation in and of itself isn't a bad thing - that really depends on its cause (economic expansion + productivity growth or a collapse in demand).

Lowered prices caused by productivity growth is not deflation.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Do you really expect him to praise the successes of Ronald Reagan? I mean he prefers a Republican party which tells all the peasants to shut up and place nice with their social betters.

You mean the President that really jacked up the whole spend now, bill later paradigm?
 
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Lowered prices caused by productivity growth is not deflation.
If falling prices isn't deflation, What would you call it? All that matters is which direction the general price level is moving over time; if it is going up, we're experiencing inflation. If it is going down, we are experiencing deflation.

The following is taken from: http://economics.about.com/cs/inflation/a/deflation.htm

"The article Why Does Money Have Value? explains that inflation occurs when money becomes relatively less valuable than goods. Then deflation is simply the opposite, that over time money is becoming relatively more valuable than the other goods in the economy. Following the logic of that article, deflation can occur because of a combination of four factors:

1.The supply of money goes down.
2.The supply of other goods goes up.
3.Demand for money goes up.
4.Demand for other goods goes down.

Deflation generally occurs when the supply of goods rises faster than the supply of money, which is consistent with these four factors. These factors explain why the price of some goods increase over time while others decline."
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Don't Ask Don't Tell looks like it will be repealed this afternoon.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Don't Ask Don't Tell looks like it will be repealed this afternoon.

But the DREAM Act failed.

I noticed none of the conservatives around here are touching that 9/11 responder story with a 10' pole...
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

But the DREAM Act failed.

I noticed none of the conservatives around here are touching that 9/11 responder story with a 10' pole...

Why would they, there is no justification for it. The disconnect between Washington and the people is never more perfectly shown than in that story. Politicians don't give a crap about the average person...they love 9/11 as a slogan, but screw the people who actually helped out...they are just rubes.

Will John McCain change his opinion again if/when DADT is repealed. that guy has flip flopped on that idea more than John Kerry on speed.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Will John McCain change his opinion again if/when DADT is repealed. that guy has flip flopped on that idea more than John Kerry on speed.
Well if the top military brass wanted it... well if the servermen and women wanted it.. well if we had more studies...
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Deflation in and of itself isn't a bad thing - that really depends on its cause (economic expansion + productivity growth or a collapse in demand).

I think it's something we'd really rather not have when we're trying to come out of a recession, as it provides an incentive for entities that have money to hold onto it and not spend it.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Were you really expecting them to?

I was hoping. Judging by their silence it's pretty easy to see where they stand. Sad, really. Wish they'd explain the reasoning behind the position.
 
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I was hoping. Judging by their silence it's pretty easy to see where they stand. Sad, really. Wish they'd explain the reasoning behind the position.

If they're going to respond, you really expect them to be online within 2.5 hours on a saturday when you posed the question?
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

If they're going to respond, you really expect them to be online within 2.5 hours on a saturday when you posed the question?

I asked the question yesterday morning. I repeated it yesterday afternoon and gave up today. Several of them have posted; none have responded.
 
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