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Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

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Bob Gray said:
Disposal of nuclear waste shouldn't be an issue, if we weren't such a nation that can't make any hard decisions or decisions that anyone dislikes. Yucca Mountain would be fine for disposal, not to mention that storage on site at nuclear plants has made enormous advances and is really quite safe. But, the feds have failed miserably at their charge of setting up a disposal site, while sitting on many billions of dollars that have been collected to pay for such disposal.
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If we remove Carter's ban on reprocessing spent fuel (like Europe does) there would be far less waste to have to deal with.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Name a country better suited to start growing its own fuel on an annual basis once we start to realize that we can't rely on fossil fuels forever. Granted, wind and solar energy should (hopefully) be more viable options by then, but ethanol is a nice way to hedge our bets without having to rely on nuclear energy.
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In order for ethanol to make the slightest bit of sense, we need to turn the production energy-positive. I'm guessing that means something other than corn as a feedstock. The only valid reason I can see to stick with corn is as a stopgap until the technology is developed to actually have a viable feedstock.
 
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MinnFan said:
If we remove Carter's ban on reprocessing spent fuel (like Europe does) there would be far less waste to have to deal with.
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But, then we'd have to have those spooky breeder reactors around. Shades of Silkwood! Just the name will freak out a majority of the American populace, never mind that they work find elsewhere.
 
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Craig P. said:
In order for ethanol to make the slightest bit of sense, we need to turn the production energy-positive. I'm guessing that means something other than corn as a feedstock. The only valid reason I can see to stick with corn is as a stopgap until the technology is developed to actually have a viable feedstock.
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If Craig and I are in lock step agreement, you know there's something here, as we rarely agree on anything.
 
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Craig P. said:
In order for ethanol to make the slightest bit of sense, we need to turn the production energy-positive. I'm guessing that means something other than corn as a feedstock. The only valid reason I can see to stick with corn is as a stopgap until the technology is developed to actually have a viable feedstock.
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On the other hand, biofuels *do* raise food prices and amplify agricultural commodity speculation. What would we do without food riots in Haiti?
 
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bigblue_dl said:
The same thing we do with food riots in Haiti. Nothing.
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True, true.

I was just offering to pitch in with a few more if Bob and Craig got tired of criticizing biofuels. As in, "Hey, it's not just about really bad environmental/energy policy. It lets us be complete arseholes as well. Bonus!"

/scraps plans to ever run for public office in Iowa
 
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Priceless said:
Americans have to grow up and stop acting like petulant children when things don't go their way. This administration was supposed to lead a grown-up conversation about making these decisions...it hasn't happened yet.
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Whenever this or any other administration has tried to do this, its opponents get on the hobby horse and yell about "egg-heads" or "elitists" or "intellectuals." God help us if we ever approach a policy discussion based on something other than homespun wisdom and barber shop bromides.

Anyone who challenges the conventional wisdom from either side is hooted down as "ivory tower." If math were run according to political rules, we'd never have progressed beyond addition. "Calculus?! Well, la-tee-da -- we don't need that in Real Amurrka."

Democracy is a fine system, but it has the disadvantage of being the last refuge of the incompetent, because every idiot's opinion is treated as if it was of equal weight and worth. In a world where all the important things depend on intelligence and training, politics and political commentary (and sports journalism) are the only places left where people with no ability or education are still taken seriously.
 
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Priceless said:
Are you volunteering to let them bury the waste in your yard?
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I'm fine with putting nuclear waste in BFE Nebraska or Iowa, yes, though it wouldn't be my preferred site given the Ogalala aquifer underneath. The middle of the desert in Nevada/Arizona/Utah or buried deep in a hard rock mountain would probably be better. If only we had a site like that already picked out...
 
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unofan said:
I'm fine with putting nuclear waste in BFE Nebraska or Iowa, yes, though it wouldn't be my preferred site given the Ogalala aquifer underneath. The middle of the desert in Nevada/Arizona/Utah or buried deep in a hard rock mountain would probably be better. If only we had a site like that already picked out...
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Exactly. Nobody* needs to let them bury the waste in his yard.

*Population of Beatty, NV = 3,300 people, and that's 18 miles away. 3300/300M = 0, statistically speaking. Additionally, we detonated 904 atomic weapons right next door, so it's not exactly prime real estate for ANYTHING else. It's absolutely perfect.
 
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Shooting it into the sun is a lot cooler. But I suspect it takes more energy to lift nuclear waste to orbit than it initially contributed.
 
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No one is really hopping on board with my idea to shoot it all at Iran and North Korea....
 
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Kepler said:
Shooting it into the sun is a lot cooler. But I suspect it takes more energy to lift nuclear waste to orbit than it initially contributed.
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Nah, it's more the issue of what happens when a rocket fails to reach outer space. You don't exactly want nuclear waste being spread worldwide by an explosion at 100,000 feet.

If we ever get a space elevator, however...
 
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MinnFan said:
If we remove Carter's ban on reprocessing spent fuel (like Europe does) there would be far less waste to have to deal with.
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I saw an ad on Craig's list looking for just this type of stuff...some girl, Kim somebody, willing to pick it up and take it away for free...seems like it was out of the country so her paying for shipping is cool, plus we don't have to worry about it in the US...win, win.
 
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unofan said:
Nah, it's more the issue of what happens when a rocket fails to reach outer space. You don't exactly want nuclear waste being spread worldwide by an explosion at 100,000 feet.

If we ever get a space elevator, however...
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