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Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

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Anyone actually buy what Bernanke is selling? where does the Federal Reserve BANK get the $600billion to buy the US treasury bonds (debt) ?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Berna...3.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
is, in effect, printing more money. In the interview, Bernanke called that a "myth." He insisted the Fed isn't printing money when it buys Treasurys and said the program won't expand the amount of money in circulation in a "significant way."

Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP, said Bernanke is right that the Fed's purchases won't significantly change the amount of money circulating in the economy. That's mainly because banks aren't lending most of the money they already hold in reserve. When the Fed buys Treasurys, it increases the reserves in the banking system. For those reserves to actually "create" money, the banks would have to lend it.

Still, Crandall suggested that the bond-buying program creates the appearance of printing money, something that could put the central bank's credibility at stake.
 
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*Imagine how screwed we'd be without the ClimateGate emails? Torch our entire economy for the green religion and we'd see these clowns making money on the transaction fees!

You mean the "climategate" emails that in something like 3 separate investigations have been shown to have had no wrongdoing?
 
Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Anyone actually buy what Bernanke is selling? where does the Federal Reserve BANK get the $600billion to buy the US treasury bonds (debt) ?
They create it out of thin air, just like they did with their emergency lending (in the trillions) that occurred in '08-'09 at the height of the financial crisis.
 
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I'm not going to click through, but Glenn Beck has done several episodes with Obama's carbon ties... further the recently released wikileaks cables essentially had the administration putting SEVERE pressure on nations (up to and including blackmail, iirc) to get Copenhagen climate deal passed*... tie that into the lack of current action involving BP (everybody here forgot already didn't they... I suppose its only fair as they tried to ignore the situation for SIX WEEKS despite that Bush would have been hammered after SIX HOURS)... I'll believe just about anything about Obama's involvement in the climate credit scam. They believe that carbon emissions are bad and that they have every right to profit off of something that's morally good. After all, if you are going to realign the world's economy and you know how it will affect things or how to get in on the action then it only makes sense that you will make plans to do so... they have been setting up derivates contracts on this planned nonsense for Christsakes!

*Imagine how screwed we'd be without the ClimateGate emails? Torch our entire economy for the green religion and we'd see these clowns making money on the transaction fees!
Quiet. If you have the slightest doubt in their religion, you will be villified to no end. Believe or the world ends the day after tomorrow (or whenever they revise it to again when things don't go the way their models predict).
 
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Quiet. If you have the slightest doubt in their religion, you will be villified to no end. Believe or the world ends the day after tomorrow (or whenever they revise it to again when things don't go the way their models predict).

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You've ducked every legitimate question I asked of you with respect to evolution, but I'm sure it's because you were 'busy' with life, even if you were posting regularly on other threads the last handful of days. You want me to send that scientific study representing decades of research on how things like the eye could have evolved? Spoiler: it wasn't over night!
 
Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

I'm not going to click through, but Glenn Beck has done several episodes with Obama's carbon ties...I'll believe just about anything about Obama's involvement in the climate credit scam.

Quiet. If you have the slightest doubt in their religion, you will be villified to no end. Believe or the world ends the day after tomorrow (or whenever they revise it to again when things don't go the way their models predict).

So are you saying Glenn Beck has more credibility than Jon Kyl? There were quite a few on the board who swallowed Kyl hook, line and sinker.

Senator Jon Kyl claimed that President Obama had had told him that border security was politically problematic, quoting the President as saying, “If we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.” The White House rebuked the claim, ostensibly calling Arizona junior Senator a liar. Well, now Kyl is walking his original quote back, claiming that it was “taken a bit out of context.”
 
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You've ducked every legitimate question I asked of you with respect to evolution, but I'm sure it's because you were 'busy' with life, even if you were posting regularly on other threads the last handful of days. You want me to send that scientific study representing decades of research on how things like the eye could have evolved? Spoiler: it wasn't over night!
I'm not feeding the trolls on evolution. No way there can be a reasonable discussion of that on here, and I'm disappointed you can't grasp that. You pretend like your posts were the only ones out there, and I'm ducking you by not responding, when there were a bunch of attacks on me, calling names, etc. Sorry, I don't have all day to respond to every posting when lots of people make posts. Every so often I forget how unreasonable some people are around here on subjects like this, and start into a discussion, then I quickly remember why I shouldn't. Not to mention that you missed the main gist of all my posts on here. I'd expect this from some others, but not you. :rolleyes:
 
Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

So are you saying Glenn Beck has more credibility than Jon Kyl? There were quite a few on the board who swallowed Kyl hook, line and sinker.

Senator Jon Kyl claimed that President Obama had had told him that border security was politically problematic, quoting the President as saying, “If we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.” The White House rebuked the claim, ostensibly calling Arizona junior Senator a liar. Well, now Kyl is walking his original quote back, claiming that it was “taken a bit out of context.”
I didn't say anything about Beck or Kyl here. Go fishing with someone else.
 
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I'm not feeding the trolls on evolution. No way there can be a reasonable discussion of that on here, and I'm disappointed you can't grasp that. You pretend like your posts were the only ones out there, and I'm ducking you by not responding, when there were a bunch of attacks on me, calling names, etc. Sorry, I don't have all day to respond to every posting when lots of people make posts. Every so often I forget how unreasonable some people are around here on subjects like this, and start into a discussion, then I quickly remember why I shouldn't. Not to mention that you missed the main gist of all my posts on here. I'd expect this from some others, but not you. :rolleyes:
Irony and hypocracy, live together in perfect harmony.....

And how could there be a discussion when all you can give are logical fallacies that fall apart on even a cursory glance?
 
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Hook...line...sinker...

That was posted by me a long time ago. I've said nothing about Kyl and Obama lately. Don't tell me you've waited all these weeks and months to respond back to my posting way back when? Being purposely deceitful like this is unbecoming to you.
 
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I'm not feeding the trolls on evolution. No way there can be a reasonable discussion of that on here, and I'm disappointed you can't grasp that. You pretend like your posts were the only ones out there, and I'm ducking you by not responding, when there were a bunch of attacks on me, calling names, etc. Sorry, I don't have all day to respond to every posting when lots of people make posts. Every so often I forget how unreasonable some people are around here on subjects like this, and start into a discussion, then I quickly remember why I shouldn't. Not to mention that you missed the main gist of all my posts on here. I'd expect this from some others, but not you. :rolleyes:

Here's a novel concept...ignore the trolls and answer serious questions (if you feel there's snark hidden in an honest question, ignore the snark and just answer the legitimate question). You wanted to know how really complicated things could have evolved, I offered a paper that sites well over 100 independent research papers on the topic, bringing together all the information in a manner that, I feel, a lot of lay people could understand on a very rudimentary level and see that there are ways our hyper-complex eye could have evolved, but you just went on 'feeding the trolls' instead of actually discussing the topic. I find it funny that you have all the time in the world to respond to trolls but can't actually respond to serious inquiries, and when called out on it, say you don't want to feed the trolls so you won't discuss it anymore.

If you were truly open to other viewpoints, you'd have read the paper and posited you critique of it from a scientific standpoint because that's the world where evolution lives. Just get off you high horse and admit that you don't care to read up on the topic and you don't want your world view challenged. Science is all about challenging what you know, when I start a set of experiments, I do all I can to disprove what I think, same goes for every scientist out there. It's a discredit to say science is unwilling to change because you don't like the conclusions and simply want it to change, and it's just sad to repeat decades old anti-evolution talking points that have been disproved for as long as those 'points' have been brought up. If science didn't challenge itself, our world would look a heck of a lot differently. It's not the devil, Bob, far from it, it's the only thing we have that actually helps people in need. Does it get things wrong? Heck yeah it does, and the first people to admit that are scientists. If there was solid scientific proof that evolution doesn't exist, there'd be a huge front page article on it in Science, Cell, or Nature.
 
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If there was solid scientific proof that evolution doesn't exist, there'd be a huge front page article on it in Science, Cell, or Nature.
Saw this posted by the NCSE on facebook earlier today. From 1981, Ken Miller rebuking young earth creationists for 50 minutes and addressing things that would falsify evolution and why they don't. A couple of the argument he rebukes were very similar to what Bob brought up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Gg9avFgWc
 
Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Here's a novel concept...ignore the trolls and answer serious questions (if you feel there's snark hidden in an honest question, ignore the snark and just answer the legitimate question). You wanted to know how really complicated things could have evolved, I offered a paper that sites well over 100 independent research papers on the topic, bringing together all the information in a manner that, I feel, a lot of lay people could understand on a very rudimentary level and see that there are ways our hyper-complex eye could have evolved, but you just went on 'feeding the trolls' instead of actually discussing the topic. I find it funny that you have all the time in the world to respond to trolls but can't actually respond to serious inquiries, and when called out on it, say you don't want to feed the trolls so you won't discuss it anymore.

If you were truly open to other viewpoints, you'd have read the paper and posited you critique of it from a scientific standpoint because that's the world where evolution lives. Just get off you high horse and admit that you don't care to read up on the topic and you don't want your world view challenged. Science is all about challenging what you know, when I start a set of experiments, I do all I can to disprove what I think, same goes for every scientist out there. It's a discredit to say science is unwilling to change because you don't like the conclusions and simply want it to change, and it's just sad to repeat decades old anti-evolution talking points that have been disproved for as long as those 'points' have been brought up. If science didn't challenge itself, our world would look a heck of a lot differently. It's not the devil, Bob, far from it, it's the only thing we have that actually helps people in need. Does it get things wrong? Heck yeah it does, and the first people to admit that are scientists. If there was solid scientific proof that evolution doesn't exist, there'd be a huge front page article on it in Science, Cell, or Nature.
If you were serious, you'd not side with the trolls, but would help foster an atmosphere where reasoned, and reasonable discussion can take place. But, you didn't, and I know you've been around here long enough to know it's well nigh impossible to not have trolls overriding attempts at good discussion on a subject such as this. But, you keep coming after me without saying a word about those who keep attacking me. That tells me you're not very serious about actually having such a discussion.
 
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If you were serious, you'd not side with the trolls, but would help foster an atmosphere where reasoned, and reasonable discussion can take place. But, you didn't, and I know you've been around here long enough to know it's well nigh impossible to not have trolls overriding attempts at good discussion on a subject such as this. But, you keep coming after me without saying a word about those who keep attacking me. That tells me you're not very serious about actually having such a discussion.

Bob is all tone, no substance.

That's because you can't offer any substantive rebuke to Rimbaud's arguments - or that of science, in general.

The key principle of science is falsifyability. That is, in order to show something it true, you also have to show exactly what you'd need to do to prove that it's not true. This is why your references to the religion of climate change or of evolution are hilarious - there is literally no way to prove God exists - no way to disprove it, either. There are lots of ways to prove evolution.

You claim the trolls are disrupting good discussion - but we haven't even had any good discussion because you can't offer any substance to your argument.

If the science conflicts with your faith, that's fine. But realize that science is based on logic and reason. Faith is not. Hence, it's funny you find this discussion "unreasonable."
 
Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

If you were serious, you'd not side with the trolls, but would help foster an atmosphere where reasoned, and reasonable discussion can take place. But, you didn't, and I know you've been around here long enough to know it's well nigh impossible to not have trolls overriding attempts at good discussion on a subject such as this. But, you keep coming after me without saying a word about those who keep attacking me. That tells me you're not very serious about actually having such a discussion.

Bob, I'm siding with the trolls conclusions that evolution is a rigorously studied scientific phenomenon that is supported by more evidence than just about every other scientific hypothesis there is, that's it. Is there some sarcastic smarminess to my posts? Of course there is because I understand the subject and you're making arguments that have been debunked for decades. It's just like you putting on a grandiose display of how you're better than the scientific community because you say you're open to other ideas, even if those ideas are completely inconsistent with science itself (not evolution, but science as a field), and the only idea you'd support is one that you believe in that supports your world view. If you want me to defend you from people that are hurting your feelings by calling you names, I can't do that because you're a big boy. Besides, if their words really do hurt or bother you, there's truth to what they're saying about you.
 
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