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Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

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Craig P. said:
EΨ = ĤΨ doesn't do it for you?

(or, if you prefer, iħ d/dt Ψ = ĤΨ)
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I want my cat back...

While I continually struggled with quantum and the mind**** that it is comprised of, I absolutely loved all of my quantum classes.
 
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DaveStPaul said:
Berke Breathed wants his royalties. :p
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I only steal from the best. :)
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MinnFan said:
While there are plenty of things I didn't like about the proposal I think it was a good compromise and would have supported it.
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You knew it was a good compromise because both sides' loons attacked it. This is just like any bubble before it bursts -- tax cuts and spending increases are lollipops that people will always choose over the vegetables of tax increases and spending cuts. The country doesn't have rotten teeth because of pols, but because of voters. The majority is getting what it deserves -- unfortunately the rest of us will get dragged down with them.

How do you short the US economy? That seems like a very good investment strategy.
 
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MinnFan said:
Commodities and/or foreign currency
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I don't know that the implosion of the US economy is going to help foreign currencies any, though. The dollar may beat the euro in inflating to infinity, but at the end of the day you've still bringing a wheelbarrow to the bakery.

For that matter, since commodity prices are based on supply and demand, won't they also crater when they glut because nobody can buy them?

I think I will just invest in antibiotics and ammunition. Girls would seem like a good option, but it's costly to feed them and they depreciate quickly.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Now, continue your rants against anything that doesn't fit your narrow conceptions of reality. You're right Scooby, this thread demonstrates why America is getting clobbered in this world. :rolleyes:

I'm done with this discussion. If any of you can conduct yourselves with a modicum of civility, I'd be happy to reengage.
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Hmm so where does this poll fit in? Scooby's lament on lack of scientific education or Bob's lament about America getting clobbered around the world "demonstrated by this thread".

That's 58% creationism 55% evolution and 31% ID according to this poll. And I've seen a physician poll that's very similar 60% evolution and 35% creationism. With catholic physician split even at 51% and protestant doctors at 35% for evolution.

Not sure why we're so far off the polls on this thread. Although I noticed the poll never asked if creationism/ID is a valid scientific theory.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx
2005 Aug 5-7
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Probably true
Definitely/
Probably false
Not familiar/
No opinion

Creationism
58%
26
16

Evolution
55%
34
11

Intelligent design
31%
32
37
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Tundra said:
Hmm so where does this poll fit in?
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Happiness that they don't use uneducated public opinion when making their flu vaccines.

ID is also just creationism light, one part crazy, and still crazy enough. Literally it can be tracked back to a book that was originally promoting creationism but they just changed the wording from creationism to intelligent design.
 
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Kepler said:
The dollar may beat the euro in inflating to infinity, but at the end of the day you've still bringing a wheelbarrow to the bakery.

For that matter, since commodity prices are based on supply and demand, won't they also crater when they glut because nobody can buy them?
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I would say gold but that has risen so much that it's risker if we have deflation (economic collapse) and your fear of less demand. Although in a crisis the demand actually shoots up for gold. And I think almost any hard assets (stocks/real estate/gold/) will do well in a high inflationary (dollar devalue in this case) environment.

Looks like Bernanke is saying QE2 $600billion might not be enough and is open to QE3 .... so get your wheelbarrows before they sell out. I thought this would be our last resort when/if we borrowed too much ... default and devalue (print) the dollar like other countries have done.
 
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Commodities are a good investment during periods of economic expansion / inflation. While the US economy isn't growing at a particularly brisk clip these days, there's a number of economies that are certainly doing that (Brazil, India, and China to name three). The emerging markets are where the demand growth for raw materials will be while the economies of the West continue to stagnate.

As long as Bernanke is running the Fed and QE is the policy embraced there, gold and other such hedges will continue to be solid investments. Investing in emerging market index funds/ETFs certainly isn't a bad way to go, either.

Deflation is at the very bottom of my list of concerns - with fiat currency, it simply isn't going to happen. I should also point out that the "official" inflation rate the government provides is a bunch of BS. They have so many exclusions, the number itself loses most of its meaning. Yeah, let's exclude food and energy, despite the fact those two things account for a significant portion of people's budgets. :p
 
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Bakunin said:
Commodities are a good investment during periods of economic expansion / inflation. While the US economy isn't growing at a particularly brisk clip these days, there's a number of economies that are certainly doing that (Brazil, India, and China to name three). The emerging markets are where the demand growth for raw materials will be while the economies of the West continue to stagnate.

As long as Bernanke is running the Fed and QE is the policy embraced there, gold and other such hedges will continue to be solid investments. Investing in emerging market index funds/ETFs certainly isn't a bad way to go, either.

Deflation is at the very bottom of my list of concerns - with fiat currency, it simply isn't going to happen. I should also point out that the "official" inflation rate the government provides is a bunch of BS. They have so many exclusions, the number itself loses most of its meaning. Yeah, let's exclude food and energy, despite the fact those two things account for a significant portion of people's budgets. :p
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The "deflation" thing is such horse**** too... the "deflation" they're worried about isn't the deflation in the cost of food or house goods or gas... its deflation in the value of stock and businesses and the like... its the ability of morons to make loans they couldn't handle... in some sence one could call the inability to make these loans "deflation" since there isn't enough money to make up these loans... so it isn't even so much "deflation" but "not as much inflation as we need", and folks, I get the feeling they need a fair bit of inflation to make sure all those loan numbers square.

Anybody notice that the dow is back to where it was but this occurs without a true recovery... are we seeing inflation effects in the market as part of the money pumping? Is it something else?

I expect the economy to start to come back somewhat as a gridlock congress will allow some settling... but then again, if the Podesta view is held in the White House (I doubt it, the WH is timid now that it realizes it can't bully so openly) then we may still see problems ahead though.
 
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Patman said:
Anybody notice that the dow is back to where it was but this occurs without a true recovery... are we seeing inflation effects in the market as part of the money pumping? Is it something else?
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The only thing the stock market cares about is profits and their underlying trend. This is why the market tends to jump when coming out of a recession - companies are issuing earnings reports that are comparing results with the past year - and if that year happened in a recession, it's an easy comparison in which to make yourself look good.

I would certainly suspect that money printing is pushing stock prices higher, although it's hard to say how much of the rally is related to that as opposed to overall investor confidence that the worst is behind us. Just remember, all this newly-created money has to go somewhere. Since it first gets handed to the big banks, the natural next stopping point would be one of three places:
1) US Treasuries (low interest rate for banks to borrow from Fed = easy profit off low-yielding T-bills)
2) People looking to borrow money
3) Stock markets (these banks do have an investment side, after all)

We haven't seen a massive increase in lending, so that leaves options 1 and 3. The US treasury yields have been climbing lately, so I would tend to think most of the money is going into stock markets (although not necessarily the US; I would think any reasonably sharp investor working at these banks would be looking for opportunities in the emerging markets, which is why India and China have both taken steps to limit capital inflows that might destabilize their markets).
 
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walrus said:
Best conspiracy I've read in a long time, it has them all, Tri Lats, Bildebergers, Al Gore, its awesome
http://www.infowars.com/obama-intimately-tied-to-carbon-trading-scam/
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I'm not going to click through, but Glenn Beck has done several episodes with Obama's carbon ties... further the recently released wikileaks cables essentially had the administration putting SEVERE pressure on nations (up to and including blackmail, iirc) to get Copenhagen climate deal passed*... tie that into the lack of current action involving BP (everybody here forgot already didn't they... I suppose its only fair as they tried to ignore the situation for SIX WEEKS despite that Bush would have been hammered after SIX HOURS)... I'll believe just about anything about Obama's involvement in the climate credit scam. They believe that carbon emissions are bad and that they have every right to profit off of something that's morally good. After all, if you are going to realign the world's economy and you know how it will affect things or how to get in on the action then it only makes sense that you will make plans to do so... they have been setting up derivates contracts on this planned nonsense for Christsakes!

*Imagine how screwed we'd be without the ClimateGate emails? Torch our entire economy for the green religion and we'd see these clowns making money on the transaction fees!
 
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Patman said:
I'm not going to click through, but Glenn Beck has done several episodes with Obama's carbon ties... further the recently released wikileaks cables essentially had the administration putting SEVERE pressure on nations (up to and including blackmail, iirc) to get Copenhagen climate deal passed*... tie that into the lack of current action involving BP (everybody here forgot already didn't they... I suppose its only fair as they tried to ignore the situation for SIX WEEKS despite that Bush would have been hammered after SIX HOURS)... I'll believe just about anything about Obama's involvement in the climate credit scam. They believe that carbon emissions are bad and that they have every right to profit off of something that's morally good. After all, if you are going to realign the world's economy and you know how it will affect things or how to get in on the action then it only makes sense that you will make plans to do so... they have been setting up derivates contracts on this planned nonsense for Christsakes!

*Imagine how screwed we'd be without the ClimateGate emails? Torch our entire economy for the green religion and we'd see these clowns making money on the transaction fees!
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