Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

[walrus]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

And they save you money in the summer as you don't need as much cooling. Admittedly more important in commercial and institutional buildings than in homes, but it's there.

ETA: Stupid multiquote feature saves those quotes forever, it seems...

I don't worry about cooling, heat is a far bigger concern. Compact flourescent make sense if cooling is your biggest concern. Also if your going to turn the light on and off alot compacts might not make sense, compact flourscents die an early death when power cycled alot.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

That was Barbie? I figured Mattel started making a Paris Hilton doll.

 

[Kepler]

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That was Barbie? I figured Mattel started making a Paris Hilton doll.

The Hilton doll uses the same injection mold but has a little plastic hood piercing.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

The Hilton doll uses the same injection mold but has a little plastic hood piercing.

The dead giveaway should have been the ****. That doll is way more stacked than Paris.

 

[Tundra]

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That's wonderful.

I'm sure the argument against a ban isn't really about that though. It's more along the lines of why the government should be involved in such a ban, if fluorescent bulbs are so much better, won't incandescent bulbs be phased out on their own?

Also, in reading this, I honestly had no idea you couldn't just throw them away. Oops.

I agree. but I can see the other side where if you convert from 100w incandescent to 20w CFL bulbs you need to build less powerplants. Biggest electric hog like refrigerator and heaters will cut kw usage by 50% or more as people replace the 10-20 yo antics.

I think the future is in LED. I remember our DOT was talking about replacing all street lights with it, except the initial costs were much higher than other options.

Should have bought CREE stock when it was cheap.

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[SteveP]

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I think the future is in LED. I remember our DOT was talking about replacing all street lights with it, except the initial costs were much higher than other options.

You can keep your LED's AFAIC.

Last April, the driver of a pickup truck approaching an intersection in the far western suburb of Oswego went past a red light obscured by snow and struck a 34-year-old woman turning left in her car.

The woman died and four other people were injured in the accident, which was among the first to raise concerns here and around the Midwest about a relatively new driving hazard related to inclement weather: traffic signals, like those in Oswego, that use light-emitting diodes, known as LEDs.

The new lighting is part of a fast-growing trend in environmentalism. LED bulbs use less energy, last longer and are more visible than their predecessors. They are also known to require less maintenance. But they do not emit nearly as much heat as conventional bulbs, allowing snow and ice to accumulate more easily in certain conditions.

 

[Tundra]

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You can keep your LED's AFAIC.

Yeah. not sure what they were thinking. LED uses less energy and practically no heat.

Looks like it's been installed here for awhile now. I guess it was 2 years ago when I read about it, and had a chance to buy CREE for 20-25 in 2008.. it's at $50 now.

http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/30/anchorage-alaska-to-install-16000-led-streetlights/

Another win for LED bulbs: Anchorage, Alaska plans to replace 16,000 streetlight fixtures—a quarter of all the streetlight fixtures in the city—with LEDs. The new streetlights will use 50% less energy than current fixtures, leading Anchorage to potential savings of $360,000 each year. The city has invested $2.2 million in the plan.

Since Anchorage has 85 days a year with less than 8 hours of sunlight, energy efficiency initiatives are critical to the city’s survival. With other programs currently in the works, they’re on the right track.

Cree, a US-based LED component manufacturer, started the LED City program in 2007. The initiative is designed to test the economic, environmental, and usage benefits of LED lighting in cities around the world.

Other cities that have already committed to the LED City program include Raleigh, North Carolina; Toronto, Ontario; Tianjin, China, and Torraca, Italy

 

[Bakunin]

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Too funny. Where did the money go?.

You forgot the $10 billion they spent in the late summer to buy teacher union votes in the midterm election.

And let's not forget the amount of money wasted on investigations is a tiny fraction of the money wasted in every other spending bill that Congress passes. Hell, it's tiny compared to the amount of money wasted by Congress / administration officials traveling to foreign countries and staying in 5 star hotels (and let's not forget the money wasted by state government officials traveling abroad on "trade missions").

 

[Craig P.]

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You can keep your LED's AFAIC.

The right way to deal with that is to couple LEDs with some sort of heating coil in northern climes. (It should even be easy to make them automatically triggered by cold temperatures...)

 

[joecct]

lightbulbs don't fit in the launcher, have to stick to clays

But wouldn't they fit in the potato gun? That could do as an alternative launch device.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Well, the budget deficit panel can't even get behind relatively mild proposals to start addressing the federal budget deficit. Kudos to Bowles and Simpson though for trying to look out for this nation long term.

http://http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_bi_ge/us_cutting_deficits

You know, I was kind of lukewarm on the plan when I first looked at it, now that I see the groups coming out against it though, I'm starting to think they may be on to something.

 

[walrus]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

The right way to deal with that is to couple LEDs with some sort of heating coil in northern climes. (It should even be easy to make them automatically triggered by cold temperatures...)

Or if you can't see a light because its covered up by snow, maybe you should stop or proceed with caution

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Or if you can't see a light because its covered up by snow, maybe you should stop or proceed with caution

How dare you! Common sense has no place here!

 

[Patman]

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I think this lightbulb thing is much ado about nothing. We have them in our house. You can buy ones that are instant on and have the same (or at least ridiculously similar) lighting properties as incandescent. Saves money, lasts longer, and they're relatively cheap now.

Then you don't have to buy them... funny how that works.

 

[WeWantMore]

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44990.html

If this story holds true, the Bush tax cuts now have to be called the Obama tax cuts as well don't they?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44990.html

If this story holds true, the Bush tax cuts now have to be called the Obama tax cuts as well don't they?

Sure. And this clearly means that the deficit will not be a priority. The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[5mn_Major]

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44990.html

If this story holds true, the Bush tax cuts now have to be called the Obama tax cuts as well don't they?

Do I understand this correctly? The GOP wants to keep tax cuts for the rich only. Obama wants tax cuts for the middle class only. And Obama is willing to negotiate with the GOP letting them keep tax cuts for the rich...so that the GOP will go along with tax cuts for the middle class?

 

[LynahFan]

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Do I understand this correctly? The GOP wants to keep tax cuts for the rich only. Obama wants tax cuts for the middle class only. And Obama is willing to negotiate with the GOP letting them keep tax cuts for the rich...so that the GOP will go along with tax cuts for the middle class?

Essentially. Except that a few sources I've seen discuss the possibility of making the tax cuts for the lower incomes "permanent" (whatever that means) while the tax cuts for the wealthy would only be extended "temporarily."

Completely bogus either way. Nobody should be getting tax cuts right now. Yes - I'm THAT kind of fiscal conservative...

 

[MinnFan]

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Essentially. Except that a few sources I've seen discuss the possibility of making the tax cuts for the lower incomes "permanent" (whatever that means) while the tax cuts for the wealthy would only be extended "temporarily."

Completely bogus either way. Nobody should be getting tax cuts right now. Yes - I'm THAT kind of fiscal conservative...

Nobody is talking about getting tax cuts right now. Its simply extending the current tax rates. I would argue that nobody should have their taxes raised right now.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Nobody is talking about getting tax cuts right now. Its simply extending the current tax rates. I would argue that nobody should have their taxes raised right now.

Cause those Bush Tax Cuts have been a great boon for the economy, the job market, the opening of new markets, the rebuilding of America's infrastructure, etc. etc. etc.

And don't forget deficit reduction. Tax Cuts cut the deficit.