Obama Presidential Thread XIX: Starting a new chapter

[pirate]

Re: Obama Presidential Thread XIX: Starting a new chapter

It always seems like "the last few years." The far right's been scary for decades, their enablers just keep mistaking their rhetoric for electioneering and then are shocked to suddenly "discover" they're serious.

For completely different reasons, the far left is also scary. Maybe not to you.

I'd rather not have the far right or far left wielding too much influence.

 

[MinnFan]

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I read that same article earlier. Not so sure about this line:


On the severability thing though, he may have a point, that does sound rather "activist". However, wasn't every liberal talking your ear off before the bill got taken to court about how important the mandate was and how without the bill wouldn't work? In that light, I can see his argument.

The Federal attorney mentioned 14 times in his argument how the individual mandate was essential to the bill. Sounds like the Feds might have dug their own grave on this one.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The Federal attorney mentioned 14 times in his argument how the individual mandate was essential to the bill. Sounds like the Feds might have dug their own grave on this one.

Yeah, it was the libs fault. If the public option had been in the bill this wouldn't have been an issue. Since the libs compromised it's a problem. Probably the strategy all along. The wimpy liberals lose again because they are willing to compromise their principles while the other side is not.

 

[Priceless]

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For completely different reasons, the far left is also scary. Maybe not to you.

I'd rather not have the far right or far left wielding too much influence.

I'm a partisan and I have no problem saying there are elements on my side that are scary. You don't go to as many meetings as I have and not hear all kinds of weird opinions.

 

[walrus]

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Yeah, it was the libs fault. If the public option had been in the bill this wouldn't have been an issue. Since the libs compromised it's a problem. Probably the strategy all along. The wimpy liberals lose again because they are willing to compromise their principles while the other side is not.

You are either going to do a single payer, or you're not. Makes no sense to have this crap bill passed and everyone knows it

 

[Handyman]

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So, your friend, who leans to the right, was disappointed to hear that Obama was leaning to the right?

Where exactly did I say that? You read...well?

Why don't you go back and read it again and see if perhaps you can figure out what the conversation was really about. (here is a hint, Kepler got it)

No where in my post did it say what you seemed to gather from it.

 

[Kepler]

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For completely different reasons, the far left is also scary. Maybe not to you.

I'd rather not have the far right or far left wielding too much influence.

I actually agree with you the far left is scary.

The thing that was freaky was for a moment there the far right was actually in power. Thankfully, we recovered our senses as a nation and I don't think the GOP will make that mistake again for a while. (Palin and Bachmann are funny as a joke, but I don't think the guys who care about tax rates want to put them up against adults in the general).

There's nothing inherently insane about either a concern for economic freedom or a concern for social justice. It only goes wrong when either idiots or ideologues somehow luck into leadership positions. This hasn't happened for a long time on the left (not that the idiots and ideologues haven't tried) while it's happened with monotonous regularity on the right. But hopefully they've learned or they've corrected whatever systemic flaw led them to have so many goobers with such influence.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Where exactly did I say that? You read...well?

Why don't you go back and read it again and see if perhaps you can figure out what the conversation was really about. (here is a hint, Kepler got it)

No where in my post did it say what you seemed to gather from it.

You said he was scared how things had shifted recently. From someone who allegedly is right wing, that seems bizarre. The government (in his and your view) shifts to the right, and he's scared? I bet he's one of those guys who thinks Lincoln Chafee was an arch conservative right?

 

[geezer]

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I'm pretty sure the main point of this story is that the FL AG is pretty hot. There might be some other interesting stuff in there.

 

[walrus]

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I'm pretty sure the main point of this story is that the FL AG is pretty hot. There might be some other interesting stuff in there.

Somehow Sarah Palin is too blame for her hotness getting into office

 

[Handyman]

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You said he was scared how things had shifted recently. From someone who allegedly is right wing, that seems bizarre. The government (in his and your view) shifts to the right, and he's scared? I bet he's one of those guys who thinks Lincoln Chafee was an arch conservative right?

Or...

He is upset about the fact that a supposed Liberal Socialist President is closer to the ideals of Reagan than anything clothing itself in the colors of the GOP. Jesus man use some critical thinking and lay off the paint thinner.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Or...

He is upset about the fact that a supposed Liberal Socialist President is closer to the ideals of Reagan than anything clothing itself in the colors of the GOP. Jesus man use some critical thinking and lay off the paint thinner.

So again, he should be happy.

 

[SteveP]

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I'm pretty sure the main point of this story is that the FL AG is pretty hot. There might be some other interesting stuff in there.

Is she even mentioned in the story?

 

[geezer]

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Is she even mentioned in the story?

You know, she's not, by name. Which is funny. But my point was that people like me (with ADD) go "oh look, a pretty girl" and forget to read the story anyway.

 

[Kepler]

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people like me (with ADD) go "oh look, a pretty girl"

The technical name for people with this condition is "men."

(It's actually a wonder we ever get anything done. There are 3 billion Harrison Bergerons on this planet.)

 

[Bob Gray]

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My wife went to her chiropractor yesterday, and she found out from her chiropractor that because of provisions in Obamacare, she can only have one chiropractic treatment per appointment now, whereas before there was no such limitation and the chiropractor would often do several different things during a single appointment The chiropractor said it was really stupid and was a major problem, as he often would often do multiple treatments in the past during one session, but now can't. And we only have a limited number of chiropractor visits under our health coverage, so either my wife's treatment is artificially rationed, or we pay through the nose for a good number of extra visits beyond what is under our coverage. Thanks Obama.

 

[5mn_Major]

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So looking at this 'unconstitutionality' of the healthcare bill it comes down to the individual mandate...and as the judge put it, that the govt exceeded its bounds.

This is part of the probllem with the Constitution crowd. They hang their hat on it like its the only thing...but when it comes time to reference it, they have only one definition for it. Theirs. You can say that the healthcare mandate represents big govt...but exactly where in the Constitution does it say that Congress cannot legislate mandates?

My wife went to her chiropractor yesterday, and she found out from her chiropractor that because of provisions in Obamacare, she can only have one chiropractic treatment per appointment now, whereas before there was no such limitation and the chiropractor would often do several different things during a single appointment The chiropractor said it was really stupid and was a major problem, as he often would often do multiple treatments in the past during one session, but now can't. And we only have a limited number of chiropractor visits under our health coverage, so either my wife's treatment is artificially rationed, or we pay through the nose for a good number of extra visits beyond what is under our coverage. Thanks Obama.

Of course both your wife and the chiropractor would not like that outcome of the new healthcare bill...without it your wife gets a bunch of free work and your chiropractor gets a bunch of free business...all on the backs of the rest of us policy holders.

 

[WeWantMore]

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So looking at this 'unconstitutionality' of the healthcare bill it comes down to the individual mandate...and as the judge put it, that the govt exceeded its bounds.

This is part of the probllem with the Constitution crowd. They hang their hat on it like its the only thing...but when it comes time to reference it, they have only one definition for it. Theirs. You can say that the healthcare mandate represents big govt...but exactly where in the Constitution does it say that Congress cannot legislate mandates?

Really?

 

[5mn_Major]

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Really?

Where?

 

[WeWantMore]

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Where?

Where in the Constitution is the government given the authority to mandate you to buy a product?