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Obama 6(...66)
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Re: Obama 6(...66)
Bob, there's no point in trying to have reasoned discussions out here. I'd rather amuse myself, but be assured I don't take any of this seriously. I've voted GOP before (Bill Weld) and will again next year because the Gov of Mass is an idiot, just like the Dem treasurer who's become an Independent to run. That pretty much leaves me GOP or none at all. However, I don't have it out for anybody on the board. I've met Red Cloud, seems like a nice guy. Would buy dtp a beer if he shows up at Agganis this year.
I can have a reasoned discussion at a moment's notice, but there's no point reasoning with idiots. If 2/3rds of poster out here aren't trying to be sensical, good debates are impossible. Better to just amuse oneself at other people's expense.
If Albert Enstein proved the theory of relativity out here, you'd have one person complimenting him and a dozen pointing out spelling errors. Its pretty juvenile. Take health care. How many dumb statements have we seen about death panels seriously posted by people? Why not just p ! ss them off than try to engage someone with such a ridiculous notion?
So, to sum up, less idiots will lead to better discussions. But if posters are going to write about how Obama was born outside of the US for example (Patman) why not make fun of them? They don't deserve anything better.
Bob, there's no point in trying to have reasoned discussions out here. I'd rather amuse myself, but be assured I don't take any of this seriously. I've voted GOP before (Bill Weld) and will again next year because the Gov of Mass is an idiot, just like the Dem treasurer who's become an Independent to run. That pretty much leaves me GOP or none at all. However, I don't have it out for anybody on the board. I've met Red Cloud, seems like a nice guy. Would buy dtp a beer if he shows up at Agganis this year.
I can have a reasoned discussion at a moment's notice, but there's no point reasoning with idiots. If 2/3rds of poster out here aren't trying to be sensical, good debates are impossible. Better to just amuse oneself at other people's expense.
If Albert Enstein proved the theory of relativity out here, you'd have one person complimenting him and a dozen pointing out spelling errors. Its pretty juvenile. Take health care. How many dumb statements have we seen about death panels seriously posted by people? Why not just p ! ss them off than try to engage someone with such a ridiculous notion?So, to sum up, less idiots will lead to better discussions. But if posters are going to write about how Obama was born outside of the US for example (Patman) why not make fun of them? They don't deserve anything better.
dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Well, I sent letters to our Congressional delegation today telling them to tell the administration to kiss off with their project labor agreement requirement on stimulus funded projects. Nice of Obama to pay back the unions with our tax dollars by mandating the use of unions on federal construction projects. Considering NH has less than a 15% union construction workforce, the remaining 85% of peeps are **** out of luck.
Last big PLA in these parts was the Big Dig - $3b to $16b and still climbing. Blown budgets, delays, faulty leaking tunnels, dead people, lawsuits, corruption....it had it all. Great deal for the taxpayers.
Well, I sent letters to our Congressional delegation today telling them to tell the administration to kiss off with their project labor agreement requirement on stimulus funded projects. Nice of Obama to pay back the unions with our tax dollars by mandating the use of unions on federal construction projects. Considering NH has less than a 15% union construction workforce, the remaining 85% of peeps are **** out of luck.
Last big PLA in these parts was the Big Dig - $3b to $16b and still climbing. Blown budgets, delays, faulty leaking tunnels, dead people, lawsuits, corruption....it had it all. Great deal for the taxpayers.
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Random healthcare-related question for anyone: Does anyone know what that end-of-life pamphlet is called that the VA Dept. is giving to seniors and the terminally ill? "Your Life, Your Choices" I think, something like that. Anyone know? I wanna get a copy sent to me.
Hey, as long as you're self-aware that you're sinking down and joining others' juvenility, right?
*JOKE!*
Honestly, though.... On that note, I hope and I think that we're all adult enough to not judge people on their political views. To be perfectly frank, I do believe yourself, rufus, and Obama are borderline insane with your political views. But very few of us (I count 4 off the top of my head) can easily maintain a 100% civil discussion. It's really not a big deal, it's kinda the nature of the beast - and, to me anyway, it has no bearing on any other types of interaction. In other words, absolutely, I'd still have a beer with you guys if I saw you at the Whitt. I definitely owe rufus a couple beers for my remarks to him. (Although I don't quite agree with the term condescending. Without any malicious intent, I view it more as me just being a wiseass.)
Check that. I'll buy you a Green Mountain coffee instead, the Whitt doesn't serve beer.
Now jumping back into the mix, the whole "birthers" thing is obviously ridiculous. But I don't understand Obama's angle, and there has to be some angle he's playing. If he would simply have had his boy Gibbs produce a copy of the birth certificate at some appropriate moment, I think he would have burned alot of the nutjob right's political capital (errr, whatever small amount of it they have). It would have made them look like morons and shut them up - which is why I don't understand why he wouldn't call them out on it.
That is redonkulous. You're right, it is complete political payback - at least Obama's transparent in that regard, if nothing else.
Opining on the USCHO boards is one thing, but I don't really "put my money where my mouth is" enough. I'm gonna email them a piece of my mind too.
EDIT: And I've been meaning to comment on your sig, DTP. Isn't it striking how closely Ronald Reagan's comments on the concept of government echo the words of our Founding Fathers?
Random healthcare-related question for anyone: Does anyone know what that end-of-life pamphlet is called that the VA Dept. is giving to seniors and the terminally ill? "Your Life, Your Choices" I think, something like that. Anyone know? I wanna get a copy sent to me.
Bob, there's no point in trying to have reasoned discussions out here. I'd rather amuse myself, but be assured I don't take any of this seriously. I've voted GOP before (Bill Weld) and will again next year because the Gov of Mass is an idiot, just like the Dem treasurer who's become an Independent to run. That pretty much leaves me GOP or none at all. However, I don't have it out for anybody on the board. I've met Red Cloud, seems like a nice guy. Would buy dtp a beer if he shows up at Agganis this year.
I can have a reasoned discussion at a moment's notice, but there's no point reasoning with idiots. If 2/3rds of poster out here aren't trying to be sensical, good debates are impossible. Better to just amuse oneself at other people's expense.
So, to sum up, less idiots will lead to better discussions. But if posters are going to write about how Obama was born outside of the US for example (Patman) why not make fun of them? They don't deserve anything better.
Hey, as long as you're self-aware that you're sinking down and joining others' juvenility, right?
*JOKE!*Honestly, though.... On that note, I hope and I think that we're all adult enough to not judge people on their political views. To be perfectly frank, I do believe yourself, rufus, and Obama are borderline insane with your political views. But very few of us (I count 4 off the top of my head) can easily maintain a 100% civil discussion. It's really not a big deal, it's kinda the nature of the beast - and, to me anyway, it has no bearing on any other types of interaction. In other words, absolutely, I'd still have a beer with you guys if I saw you at the Whitt. I definitely owe rufus a couple beers for my remarks to him. (Although I don't quite agree with the term condescending. Without any malicious intent, I view it more as me just being a wiseass.)
Check that. I'll buy you a Green Mountain coffee instead, the Whitt doesn't serve beer.
Now jumping back into the mix, the whole "birthers" thing is obviously ridiculous. But I don't understand Obama's angle, and there has to be some angle he's playing. If he would simply have had his boy Gibbs produce a copy of the birth certificate at some appropriate moment, I think he would have burned alot of the nutjob right's political capital (errr, whatever small amount of it they have). It would have made them look like morons and shut them up - which is why I don't understand why he wouldn't call them out on it.
That is redonkulous. You're right, it is complete political payback - at least Obama's transparent in that regard, if nothing else.
Opining on the USCHO boards is one thing, but I don't really "put my money where my mouth is" enough. I'm gonna email them a piece of my mind too.
EDIT: And I've been meaning to comment on your sig, DTP. Isn't it striking how closely Ronald Reagan's comments on the concept of government echo the words of our Founding Fathers?
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: Obama 6(...66)
It's so cute that everyone is concerned about spending now. The time to be concerned about it is when there was actually money around to do something about it. When there is a recession the only "stimulus" that can happen is the government. You can argue semantics (tax cuts for the rich, vs. whatever the hell Obama is doing), but either way there is going to be spending.
The ship sailed when we were doing fine and NO ONE CARED THEN HOW MUCH SPENDING WAS GOING ON. Too late now. We can start talking about balanced budgets and all that crap once the economy turns around if it ever does. Until then it's just a bunch of barking at the moon.
It's so cute that everyone is concerned about spending now. The time to be concerned about it is when there was actually money around to do something about it. When there is a recession the only "stimulus" that can happen is the government. You can argue semantics (tax cuts for the rich, vs. whatever the hell Obama is doing), but either way there is going to be spending.
The ship sailed when we were doing fine and NO ONE CARED THEN HOW MUCH SPENDING WAS GOING ON. Too late now. We can start talking about balanced budgets and all that crap once the economy turns around if it ever does. Until then it's just a bunch of barking at the moon.
dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
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You have a short memory and like to dwell in the past.
IOW, "I have no faith in individuals or the entrepreneurial spirit of the American people".
That line is quite telling, but not surprising coming from you.
I think you need to quit tripping the light fantastic with the rest of the lefties before you're too far gone.
You have a short memory and like to dwell in the past.
IOW, "I have no faith in individuals or the entrepreneurial spirit of the American people".
That line is quite telling, but not surprising coming from you.
I think you need to quit tripping the light fantastic with the rest of the lefties before you're too far gone.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama 6(...66)
You seem to forget why the recession happened in the first place. And that's why it will happen again in exactly the same way.
You seem to forget why the recession happened in the first place. And that's why it will happen again in exactly the same way.
dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Not at all....but unlike you, I'm not going to keep going back 4, 8, 12 or 16 years to dwell in the past. Everyone knows how we got here - it's how we get out of the mess that matters at this point - and driving ourselves deeper in the crap ain't going to help us.
Not at all....but unlike you, I'm not going to keep going back 4, 8, 12 or 16 years to dwell in the past. Everyone knows how we got here - it's how we get out of the mess that matters at this point - and driving ourselves deeper in the crap ain't going to help us.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama 6(...66)
If the government doesn't spend money, or give people money to spend when the economy is in this condition the recession will last longer and be deeper. That's just the way it is. Just about every country in the world has done some sort of stimulus during this recession. All the whining about the spending going on is in relation to the stimulus. Thus, you're barking at the moon.
If the government doesn't spend money, or give people money to spend when the economy is in this condition the recession will last longer and be deeper. That's just the way it is. Just about every country in the world has done some sort of stimulus during this recession. All the whining about the spending going on is in relation to the stimulus. Thus, you're barking at the moon.
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consolidation of the discussions on presidential popularity (most recently in the health care thread); a timely column on point:
Kepler said, "twas ever thus"; this was editorialized on George Washington himself:
consolidation of the discussions on presidential popularity (most recently in the health care thread); a timely column on point:
Kepler said, "twas ever thus"; this was editorialized on George Washington himself:
Re: Obama 6(...66)
There is a HUGE flaw in your argument. You assume that its the government's money to begin with. A tax cut has nothign to do with spending. The gov't doesn't give out money. They can only take it from someone and then redistribute it.
Do you think that if they got rid of all withholding for 3 months (the same cost of the stimulus) it wouldn't have given a boost to the econmy. The problem with doing that is it wouldn't have given the gov't control of where that money went.
The thing that people have to keep in mind when the gov't spends money is what isn't built with the same money somewhere else by the private sector.
There is a HUGE flaw in your argument. You assume that its the government's money to begin with. A tax cut has nothign to do with spending. The gov't doesn't give out money. They can only take it from someone and then redistribute it.
Do you think that if they got rid of all withholding for 3 months (the same cost of the stimulus) it wouldn't have given a boost to the econmy. The problem with doing that is it wouldn't have given the gov't control of where that money went.
The thing that people have to keep in mind when the gov't spends money is what isn't built with the same money somewhere else by the private sector.
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Connect the dots. If you have bad inflation, it'll cause a variety of bad things, including more unemployment and the devaluation of generations of wealth.
Connect the dots. If you have bad inflation, it'll cause a variety of bad things, including more unemployment and the devaluation of generations of wealth.
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I beg to differ. I've been complaining loudly about spending for many years. And more and more loudly as it's gotten progressively worse.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama 6(...66)
I didn't argue that. In both my posts I indicated that tax cuts were stimulus. If you guys want to argue about what kind of stimulus we should have, or should of had that's fine and I would have remained silent. What's got my dander up is the whining over the deficit during a recession. The time to whine about that is when the economy is good.
I didn't argue that. In both my posts I indicated that tax cuts were stimulus. If you guys want to argue about what kind of stimulus we should have, or should of had that's fine and I would have remained silent. What's got my dander up is the whining over the deficit during a recession. The time to whine about that is when the economy is good.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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True. You're not everyone though. The volume has increased mightily since the stimulus/Obama regime.
True. You're not everyone though. The volume has increased mightily since the stimulus/Obama regime.
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But I just had to point out that your comment that everyone was just getting interested in spending was painting with too broad a brush. I think the overall volume has grown as the spending levels have grown. Now, instead of all you liberals pointing out how much Bush spends, which was a lot, it's the conservatives pointing out how much Obama spends, which is even more. And then there's me, decrying both.
Well, thanks for that insight that I'm not everyone.
But I just had to point out that your comment that everyone was just getting interested in spending was painting with too broad a brush. I think the overall volume has grown as the spending levels have grown. Now, instead of all you liberals pointing out how much Bush spends, which was a lot, it's the conservatives pointing out how much Obama spends, which is even more. And then there's me, decrying both.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Sure, but here's what really ticks me off. When a Democrat is in office all the Repubs turn into deficit hawks. When their boy is in office they forget all that. I'm not a fan of spending either but I know better than to whine about it when the economy is in the toilet. When the economy is back in order then it will be time to start balancing the books again.
Well, thanks for that insight that I'm not everyone.
Sure, but here's what really ticks me off. When a Democrat is in office all the Repubs turn into deficit hawks. When their boy is in office they forget all that. I'm not a fan of spending either but I know better than to whine about it when the economy is in the toilet. When the economy is back in order then it will be time to start balancing the books again.
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But, we all know that nothing will be done about the deficit if the economy is good. It's not like anything will be done about the deficit anytime, when it comes down to it. Fiscal responsibility isn't an issue that politicians will get elected on, whether in the past, at present, or in the future. The public at the end of the day votes for people who will spend more money on stuff to make them happy now, not to dig this country out of the deficit quagmire it's placed itself in. So it just gets worse and worse.
But, we all know that nothing will be done about the deficit if the economy is good. It's not like anything will be done about the deficit anytime, when it comes down to it. Fiscal responsibility isn't an issue that politicians will get elected on, whether in the past, at present, or in the future. The public at the end of the day votes for people who will spend more money on stuff to make them happy now, not to dig this country out of the deficit quagmire it's placed itself in. So it just gets worse and worse.
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