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NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

walrus655321 said:
Not really. I had quite the run-in with the Police at Matthews this past weekend...similar cop on a power trip story, and he pulled the same crap TOK pulled with Tony the Tiger (refusing to give his name, etc).

The one positive is that the actual police have formal complaint procedures and they, theoretically, are held to a higher standard...doesn't make the cop on a power trip act any more appealing though...
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Really? That surprises me a lot. I know, I know... I show up with a home jersey but still... I've talked to a bunch of the NUPDs at Matthews (especially when I used to sit down below) and they seem like good guys. (The ones that work there are generally NU alum that actually enjoy watching hockey)

The only times I've seen them get involved are:
a) when something is being thrown in the stands or on the ice
b) when kids are openly drinking from flasks
c) kinds going overboard either hitting the glass after a goal/fight or leaning over to taunt the visiting team

Oh well, bummer you had to deal with the power-trippage. Maybe it's a different group of guys in charge of keeping the visitors "under control"
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
The TeamOps King that has a personal problem with me thought he finally had me today.

I have student tickets, but was in the pep band today, so I came in and got my ticket scanned (tried to find a taker, but I couldn't GIVE the thing away). My friend wanted me to bring him a jersey because he left his in his room and had to work late, so I walked down there with the jersey and my trumpet before I went to the band room, and then walked back to the band room.

TeamOp King (TOK from here on) stops me and, all smugly, like he finally got the better of me, initiates this conversation with me:

TOK: MISTER SALZANO! George Lewis, TeamOps. [shakes my hand. He knows I know who he is because of our previous run-ins]

Me: Hey, how are you?

TOK: I spoke with the event coordinator, and you are NOT allowed to play your trumpet! [last time I went over his head to get permission at a game over break where there was no pep band and he got all p!$$ed]

Me: Err..... well..... I mean..... I'm in the pep band today. So... I think I'm allowed to play my trumpet.

TOK: Oh... you're... in the band?

Me: Yeah.

TOK: Like... the actual pep band?

Me: Yeah.

TOK: [Long pause] Oh. Okay then. [Walks away, extremely frustrated]
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I doubt he was frustrated, more likely he couldn't believe someone would admit to being in the pep band.
 
Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

TonyTheTiger20 said:
My last encounter with this guy was bad. We had no pep band so I asked if I could play my trumpet. The first guy said no, so I asked who would be the people I could talk to that would have the authority to give me permission. They sent up the TeamOps King. He also said no, and I asked who was above him that could give me permission (since TeamOps has nothing to do with stuff like that).

He called the Associate AD for me, and (I had no idea he was mad at me at the time) and while we were waiting I said to him "I really appreciate you helping me out, I'm not trying to go over your head or anything, I'm just looking for who could give me permission, that's all" and I shook his hand.

Associate AD says I need to talk to the event coordinator and that he would get him for me after the anthem.

I never see the guy after the anthem, so I ask TOK if he'll call the Associate AD for me. He refuses, VERY angrily, and tells me that he will *not* get him, because I went over his head and took it out of his hands, and so he would not help me.

I was stunned by how rude he was, but didn't bother arguing with him. Instead I went to another TeamOps supervisor who called him for me.

I ended up getting permission, but after the game I was upset with how rude he was so I wanted to get his name so I could send an email to the right people.

This whole time I had been so polite to him. I went out of my way to thank him for helping me and shook his hand. I went up to him after the game and asked him for his name, and he said "No, this is over, you need to LEAVE."

Me: "No, I would really like your name please."
TOK: "No. Leave now."
Me: "You aren't going to give me your name?"
TOK: No.
Me: "Okay."

At this point I was fed up with him and was tired of trying to be so polite to someone who was being so rude to me. I walked - literally - ten feet away, down a few steps, to where another TeamOps employee was, and asked what the guys name was, who gave it to me.

Needless to say, this really, really, REALLY p!$$ed off the TOK. He almost sprinted up to me and said:

TOK: "Okay, now I want to see *your* ID."
Me: "No, you have no right to my ID."
TOK: "Oh yes I do!"
BCWH Superfan joe: "No, you don't."
Me: "Look, if you have any right to my ID, put a hand on me and stop me or call BCPD. Otherwise, I'm out of here. Seeeee ya!"

That night I sent an email to the BC Associate AD, and the head of HR at TeamOps, outlining what happened. The BC assoc. AD got back to me and said he dealt with it and it wouldn't happen again. We'll see.

We have another two games coming up over break where there won't be a band, so to avoid any confusion I sent an email asking for permission to play ahead of time.
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Well, I think if you are actually a pep band member and you're the only one that shows up with an instrument, you're a band of one and well within your right to play it. Too bad if none of the others showed up!

As for visiting team fans, I'm sure I'll get dinged for this comment, but honestly, there is no student section in opposing teams' arenas. There are visiting team fans that go and get tickets. That does not designate it as a student section. The only Northeastern student section is at Matthews, the only BU student section is at Agganis, and so on. When you follow your team to an opposing arena, you are basically a guest in their house. I'm not saying you can't be loud and vocal, but to act as if you have a right to do certain things because you think it's your section is just wrong. My two cents, which I'm sure I will get flack for. [/old fuddy duddy]
 
Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

walrus655321 said:
Not really. I had quite the run-in with the Police at Matthews this past weekend...similar cop on a power trip story, and he pulled the same crap TOK pulled with Tony the Tiger (refusing to give his name, etc).

The one positive is that the actual police have formal complaint procedures and they, theoretically, are held to a higher standard...doesn't make the cop on a power trip act any more appealing though...
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If a police officer is not detaining you, they do not have to give you their name...this is a common misconception. They need specific information from you to do a job if they are stopping you. If you are being searched or placed into custody, then you are entitled to know who is depriving you of your right to leave. You might think it's a rude thing to do for them to not give you their name, but that's how it goes.

I don't know the specific circumstances of your "run-in", but people always reference the refusal of officers to give their name as a point of contention.

I love this thread.
 
Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

kcnuloyal said:
If a police officer is not detaining you, they do not have to give you their name...this is a common misconception. They need specific information from you to do a job if they are stopping you. If you are being searched or placed into custody, then you are entitled to know who is depriving you of your right to leave. You might think it's a rude thing to do for them to not give you their name, but that's how it goes.

I don't know the specific circumstances of your "run-in", but people always reference the refusal of officers to give their name as a point of contention.

I love this thread.
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As a criminal justice minor, if you look closely, almost every police officer has a badge number or in most cases their last name is somewhere on their uniform - most have a patch that says it.
 
Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

kcnuloyal said:
If a police officer is not detaining you, they do not have to give you their name...this is a common misconception. They need specific information from you to do a job if they are stopping you. If you are being searched or placed into custody, then you are entitled to know who is depriving you of your right to leave. You might think it's a rude thing to do for them to not give you their name, but that's how it goes.

I don't know the specific circumstances of your "run-in", but people always reference the refusal of officers to give their name as a point of contention.

I love this thread.
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Well, given that they claimed my friend was "going to jail" for an unspecified crime (the officers admitted to not seeing anything, but would just say they received "a complaint"), then yes, I'd say they were attempting to deprive him of his right to leave and he had a right to know the officer's name.

All I know is that the officer investigating our complaints was very disturbed by our accounts of the incident.
 
Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

walrus655321 said:
Well, given that they claimed my friend was "going to jail" for an unspecified crime (the officers admitted to not seeing anything, but would just say they received "a complaint"), then yes, I'd say they were attempting to deprive him of his right to leave and he had a right to know the officer's name.

All I know is that the officer investigating our complaints was very disturbed by our accounts of the incident.
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Interesting. I feel like there's some info missing here (like why the police were involved in the first place, among other things). Officers can certainly make arrests based on reports or complaints, they do not have to witness crimes first hand. The important thing here is that you might have felt your buddy was being detained, but NUPD might not have. If they didn't search him, put him in cuffs temporarily, or even place him in the back of a car to question him further, they could easily say he was not being "detained", simply being "questioned" pursuant to a complaint. In other words, they could say he was free to leave because they placed no physical restriction on him.

I'd assume that tensions were running a little high at the time of your interaction with them. Not to play devil's advocate just for the hell of it, but the police are used to people asking them to identify themselves, and usually it's because the person is extremely fired up that they were stopped or questioned in the first place. The majority of the time they never end up filing a complaint because they sober up later or just don't want to be bothered. Many of those who do file complaints are very disturbed individuals who probably shouldn't be let out of their homes. Out of those who do, most complaints end up being baseless once investigated. So, it can be trying for an officer to listen to angry people constantly asking for their personal identification simply because they want to strike back at the system for inconviencing them.

This is not to invalidate your complaints. I'd love to know it turns out for you guys. I do also know that officers are pretty good at feigning concern when a freshman walks into NUPD wanting to file a report about a missing laptop too.
 
Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

kcnuloyal said:
Interesting. I feel like there's some info missing here (like why the police were involved in the first place, among other things). Officers can certainly make arrests based on reports or complaints, they do not have to witness crimes first hand. The important thing here is that you might have felt your buddy was being detained, but NUPD might not have. If they didn't search him, put him in cuffs temporarily, or even place him in the back of a car to question him further, they could easily say he was not being "detained", simply being "questioned" pursuant to a complaint. In other words, they could say he was free to leave because they placed no physical restriction on him.
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I'm not going to bore everyone with the details. You don't have to believe that it was a cop on a power trip, but I can say that I've been to hundreds of games and seen people who actually deserved to be thrown out of games. This was not one of those instances. NUPD is certainly capable of being as bad as the Agganazis or TeamOps.
 
Re: NU vs BC 2/19 and 2/21

Chickens@NU said:
Now the bu/NU thread from a couple of years ago was fun. This drivel about TOK or whatever the db is called, is excruciating to read.
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There are very few topics that unite BC, NU and BU fans, why try to stop the conversation when one presents itself?:p
 
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If you don't like the topic, don't read the thread. :rolleyes: Simple solution.

I find it hard to believe that having to scroll a few pixels lower to see a thread you want to read is really *that* tough for you to deal with.
 
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This would require 42 more pages and 3 more months to reach the BU Lowell HE championship game thread
 
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