Re: Notre Dame to Big 10?
TV will cover what ever they are told they have to to get the programing they want...see WNBA
TV will cover what ever they are told they have to to get the programing they want...see WNBA
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Notre Dame to Big 10?
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If I'm right, then it wouldn't matter because the Big (?) will set its own rules, not the NCAA. The problem then becomes that hockey conferences as they exist now include both teams that would still belong to the NCAA and schools that would not. Would that marriage be allowed to continue, or would the football powers force changes?
If so, HEA can say good bye to BC and Providence, the AHA can say adiós to UConn, the CCHA loses Michigan, State, Ohio State and Notre Dame and the WCHA loses Minnesota and Wisconsin. Hard to even envision college hockey without those teams. On the other hand, those nine teams could add a school from the northeast and have a 10-team league...and BU doesn't have a football team....
If I'm right, then it wouldn't matter because the Big (?) will set its own rules, not the NCAA. The problem then becomes that hockey conferences as they exist now include both teams that would still belong to the NCAA and schools that would not. Would that marriage be allowed to continue, or would the football powers force changes?
If so, HEA can say good bye to BC and Providence, the AHA can say adiós to UConn, the CCHA loses Michigan, State, Ohio State and Notre Dame and the WCHA loses Minnesota and Wisconsin. Hard to even envision college hockey without those teams. On the other hand, those nine teams could add a school from the northeast and have a 10-team league...and BU doesn't have a football team....
Re: Notre Dame to Big 10?
The ACC will do whatever is in their best interest, regardless of what happened more than five years ago.
If that best interest happens to include inviting UConn, they'll do it.
If the SEC goes after the ACC's star football programs in a race for 16 (which is not a guarantee; the SEC doesn't really need the extra weight), the ACC is going to have to take a long hard look at its long-term survival, and that is almost certainly going to include aligning itself with whatever is left in the Big East.
The ACC will do whatever is in their best interest, regardless of what happened more than five years ago.
If that best interest happens to include inviting UConn, they'll do it.
If the SEC goes after the ACC's star football programs in a race for 16 (which is not a guarantee; the SEC doesn't really need the extra weight), the ACC is going to have to take a long hard look at its long-term survival, and that is almost certainly going to include aligning itself with whatever is left in the Big East.
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I dont know that a true Big 10 lg happens, but I certainly see the big schools getting together and perhaps if they go outside creating a scheduling alliance with a few chosen schools...like HE WCHA did initially....again-- all about max exposure, profits and tv
I dont know that a true Big 10 lg happens, but I certainly see the big schools getting together and perhaps if they go outside creating a scheduling alliance with a few chosen schools...like HE WCHA did initially....again-- all about max exposure, profits and tv
The Sicatoka
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Re: Notre Dame to Big 10?
CU to Pac-10.
What's next? My wild predictions ...
NU to Big Te(leve)n, or whatever the math is.
UT, aTm, OU, OSU, TTU to Pac-10.
MWC picks up KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, and Boise State to get to 14.
Big Ten puts pressure on Notre Dame (in or left behind): NDU and Rutgers to Big Ten to get to 14. Missouri and Syracuse to Big Ten next?
SEC tries to poach the ACC or Big East to get to 16 also.
Trickle-down college athletics economics follows.
CU to Pac-10.
What's next? My wild predictions ...
NU to Big Te(leve)n, or whatever the math is.
UT, aTm, OU, OSU, TTU to Pac-10.
MWC picks up KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, and Boise State to get to 14.
Big Ten puts pressure on Notre Dame (in or left behind): NDU and Rutgers to Big Ten to get to 14. Missouri and Syracuse to Big Ten next?
SEC tries to poach the ACC or Big East to get to 16 also.
Trickle-down college athletics economics follows.
The Sicatoka
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Re: Notre Dame to Big 10?
Why stop there? Why wouldn't they leave the NCAA and form their own governing body? No more revenue-sharing with Butler and NC A&T.
Why stop there? Why wouldn't they leave the NCAA and form their own governing body? No more revenue-sharing with Butler and NC A&T.
The Sicatoka
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Re: Notre Dame to Big 10?
I think it is a little dramatic when people say that schools are just going to complelty leave the NCAA. Conference realignment is going to happen. This does not mean that all the BCS schools will leave the NCAA and form their own thing. No major sports media have hinted at this with the expansion talk.
I think it is a little dramatic when people say that schools are just going to complelty leave the NCAA. Conference realignment is going to happen. This does not mean that all the BCS schools will leave the NCAA and form their own thing. No major sports media have hinted at this with the expansion talk.
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These moves are all about money.
Do you really believe that Texas and Ohio State are happy about revenue-sharing with Coastal Carolina and NC A&T?
It's a step on the path.
These moves are all about money.
Do you really believe that Texas and Ohio State are happy about revenue-sharing with Coastal Carolina and NC A&T?
It's a step on the path.
Re: Notre Dame to Big 10?
I think they realize that if they screwed with the basketball tournament they would lose money. They aren't really sharing money with the non BCS schools to begin with in football. They are also making a killing on the new basketball contract with CBS/TNT. If they left the NCAA they would not get as large a TV contract for the tourney. Like I said give me some links to reporters talking to ADs or others where they have brought this up.
I think they realize that if they screwed with the basketball tournament they would lose money. They aren't really sharing money with the non BCS schools to begin with in football. They are also making a killing on the new basketball contract with CBS/TNT. If they left the NCAA they would not get as large a TV contract for the tourney. Like I said give me some links to reporters talking to ADs or others where they have brought this up.
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Do you think ESPN/TNT/CBS gives all that money to the NCAA so they can broadcast Directional School U vs Sisters of the Poor? The power football schools would be happy to sign a contract for a national tournament featuring their schools - and only their schools. The NCAA can run a national tournament for the other 250 Division I schools and be paid accordingly. Again, more money for the powers to divide among a much smaller pool of teams. The TV deal wouldn't be as big, but they'd have to split it with a lot fewer schools.
Do you think ESPN/TNT/CBS gives all that money to the NCAA so they can broadcast Directional School U vs Sisters of the Poor? The power football schools would be happy to sign a contract for a national tournament featuring their schools - and only their schools. The NCAA can run a national tournament for the other 250 Division I schools and be paid accordingly. Again, more money for the powers to divide among a much smaller pool of teams. The TV deal wouldn't be as big, but they'd have to split it with a lot fewer schools.
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you assume that dissociating with the NCAA for football means a dissociation altogether? I think that's wrong to presume right now but its quite possible
you assume that dissociating with the NCAA for football means a dissociation altogether? I think that's wrong to presume right now but its quite possible
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Why not? The lion's share of the NCAA's money comes from the hoops tournament and regular season, and TV networks aren't shelling out all that dough for the small schools. Sure, it's a nice story on opening weekend when Cinderella upsets someone, but if she stays too long at the ball she causes problems...primarily, weaker TV numbers. The football schools could have their own national tournament and the NCAA can have the leftover carcass of ~250 teams that no one really cares about. They might get a smaller pie, but they're splitting it a lot fewer ways.
Why not? The lion's share of the NCAA's money comes from the hoops tournament and regular season, and TV networks aren't shelling out all that dough for the small schools. Sure, it's a nice story on opening weekend when Cinderella upsets someone, but if she stays too long at the ball she causes problems...primarily, weaker TV numbers. The football schools could have their own national tournament and the NCAA can have the leftover carcass of ~250 teams that no one really cares about. They might get a smaller pie, but they're splitting it a lot fewer ways.
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Oh, and this isn't AD's talking, but these are a couple of comments from ESPN commentators
Oh, and this isn't AD's talking, but these are a couple of comments from ESPN commentators
Re: Notre Dame to Big 10?
Seems to me that it'd be logical for them to set their own rules for football, but remain in the NCAA.
For one thing, that'd save them the trouble of adminstering bowling, volleyball (and hockey) etc. and let them concentrate on football. Also, in basketball, there would be some schools outside the mega conferences that would be worth having around e.g. some of the current Big East schools, Kansas if they don't find a home.
May be too much to ask, but one natural extension in football would be for each of the mega conferences to have a conference championship game, then the four winners in a tournament. There's potential Super Bowl type money there, and there'd still be plenty of good teams and interesting matchups for the bowl games, in which you could include the riff-raff teams.
Seems to me that it'd be logical for them to set their own rules for football, but remain in the NCAA.
For one thing, that'd save them the trouble of adminstering bowling, volleyball (and hockey) etc. and let them concentrate on football. Also, in basketball, there would be some schools outside the mega conferences that would be worth having around e.g. some of the current Big East schools, Kansas if they don't find a home.
May be too much to ask, but one natural extension in football would be for each of the mega conferences to have a conference championship game, then the four winners in a tournament. There's potential Super Bowl type money there, and there'd still be plenty of good teams and interesting matchups for the bowl games, in which you could include the riff-raff teams.
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I agree the ACC will do what its best for them, but taking UConn is not best for them. I really wish the ACC would go all out to get Syracuse like they originally wanted. Trust me, suing the good ole boys of the ACC is not to give them any inkling to take on UConn.
I agree the ACC will do what its best for them, but taking UConn is not best for them. I really wish the ACC would go all out to get Syracuse like they originally wanted. Trust me, suing the good ole boys of the ACC is not to give them any inkling to take on UConn.
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Well, bear in mind any scenario in which UConn is likely to be an expansion candidate is one in which both the Big East and the ACC have had teams taken from them, and the survival of both is in jeopardy. At that point, if the ACC has made the decision that they're going to try to stay in the big football game (and there's no solid reason for them not to if the P10 B10 and SEC have already gone to 16), then it comes down to the best of who's left, and it would be basically stupid to say, "Oh yeah, we like UCF and Marshall enough that we're going to invite them over you, UConn".
I also don't think the ACC is as butthurt over the lawsuit as you say, but I obviously don't possess telepathy enough to read the minds of any of the ACC presidents.
Well, bear in mind any scenario in which UConn is likely to be an expansion candidate is one in which both the Big East and the ACC have had teams taken from them, and the survival of both is in jeopardy. At that point, if the ACC has made the decision that they're going to try to stay in the big football game (and there's no solid reason for them not to if the P10 B10 and SEC have already gone to 16), then it comes down to the best of who's left, and it would be basically stupid to say, "Oh yeah, we like UCF and Marshall enough that we're going to invite them over you, UConn".
I also don't think the ACC is as butthurt over the lawsuit as you say, but I obviously don't possess telepathy enough to read the minds of any of the ACC presidents.