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Northeastern exploring alternatives to Matthews Arena, world's oldest hockey rink

In the recent article links, there are some "microscopically hidden clues".

My guesses:
1. One more season at Matthews (not news). Excavation right after next season.
2. The following season or two at WBA, (and any of Agganis, Conte, Bright, Warrior, TDGarden for a random few games).
3. New place takes over entire existing block, also takes over the Gainsborough Garage, serves hockey and hoop in whatever config.
4. Opening Jan 2027 (optimistic), but more likely Sept 2027. (that would be usual time frame for projects like this).
5. Can't imagine cost or how funding would be done, but it will get done.
6. The Stonehill idea above is non-starter, NU has enough trouble drawing fans on campus. Nothing in it for either school to discourage home fans from attending, and would kill attendance from cross town rivals for big games.
7. The women will probably play a lot of games just before or after the men wherever they are scheduled (WBA for example) so it only ties up one calendar day at the host facility.
 
I was trying to figure out what property you are discussing. It's been a few years since I was in the area but it seemed Northeastern had purchased every property possible on Columbus. Are they looking to hop over Tremont near IV or perhaps Ruggles? I could definitely envision community opposition to that. Perhaps they could get the land on the other side of the tracks from Matthews, but I think some of that is designated parkland so that's another political nightmare. The only other thing I could imagine would be to get the city to agree to a taking of the end of Gainsborough St so they could tear down the ancient garage and build an arena there. I don't think the garage property would be big enough by itself. Then they could build a modern garage on the Matthews site to service the school, new Matthews, the Huntington, the conservatory and Symphony Hall. That might get some community and political support.

That funky garage was always a handy place to park for a Matthews game.
 
I was trying to figure out what property you are discussing...

It's the parcel of vacant land directly across from BPD Hq and nearly adjacent to the International Village and West Village dorms. It was originally envisioned (by NU) as a football/soccer field. Bob Kraft wanted it as a home for his Revolution soccer team with NU football and soccer as tenants but that was also shot down by the pols.

Big problem with expanding the Matthews footprint to include the garage is that the ground itself is badly contaminated (see original article). It apparently will cost a fortune just to do the required environmental remediation. So maybe a better approach is to buy air rights over the railroad tracks and build up instead of out?

Agree that the Stonehill idea is DOA.

Maybe, when the last Christian Scientist passes, NU somehow manages to acquire that entire complex. The lagoon could become the new rink. Now, back to reality.
 
Removal and disposal of 5,000 c.y. of contaminated soil and debris is no small feat given the constraints of an urban environment. Given that level of monetary commitment just to remediate the dirt, it appears that the wheels are in motion for either a massive overhaul or full replacement of Matthews . My money is on a new barn.
 
Definitely mixed emotions after so many decades as a Matthews denizen and understanding the unequaled history of the place. But time marches on and it's past time for a 21st century facility with 21st century technology. Tickets for anything and everything at Matthews next season will definitely be hot! Unless, of course, the Boston pols somehow screw it up.
 
Definitely mixed emotions after so many decades as a Matthews denizen and understanding the unequaled history of the place. But time marches on and it's past time for a 21st century facility with 21st century technology. Tickets for anything and everything at Matthews next season will definitely be hot! Unless, of course, the Boston pols somehow screw it up.

Hate to see the old place go, but I suspect it'll be around at least for another decade due to various complications.

Let's not forget, if initial plans got better receptions, the B's would have been playing home games in Salem NH for the last several decades, over by the old Rockingham property now occupied largely by the Tuscan Village. And the Sox would be playing their home games a few blocks closer to Brookline. Never undersell inertia as a force ...
 
Chuck, I understand the skepticism. I think this case is different. NU is looking to build on land they already own. The Bruins and Sox were not. And the deteriorating condition of Matthews. Bad as Fenway and Old Garden were, they never had to be supported by butresses. I think this project is in a better position to move ahead than those were. We shall see.
 
The way I read this is that they are going to build a facility that can have monster trucks, Disney on ice, concerts, etc and also host northeastern hockey/basketball. It sounds like there will be a fieldhouse attached and they will get rid of the other one as well.
 
...It sounds like there will be a fieldhouse attached and they will get rid of the other one as well.

I can't imagine something of this magnitude not including a practice rink and similar facilities for the hoops program. Not having an on-campus or nearby practice facility has been a thorn in the side of hockey recruiting for years. Convincing prospects that busing to places like Everett for practice is fun is not a strong selling point.

That being said, I think we all realize that there will be a few very lean years ahead while demolition and construction are in progress. But light at the end of the tunnel in terms of bells and whistles on a par with other top programs. In the meantime, it will be a long, hard slog.
 
so there will be a whole lotta destruction and construction to build a new rink AND practice facility plus whatnot at the corner of Huntington and Mass Ave?
that’s pretty friggin’ cool.
hope it all works out for our red headed step child. (Sincerely)
 
Chuck, I understand the skepticism. I think this case is different. NU is looking to build on land they already own. The Bruins and Sox were not. And the deteriorating condition of Matthews. Bad as Fenway and Old Garden were, they never had to be supported by butresses. I think this project is in a better position to move ahead than those were. We shall see.

The fact that Matthews/Boston Arena almost directly abuts an MBTA right of way (Orange Line) is not gonna make things any easier, if there are plans to rebuild on the same site. I'm sure the powers that be at Northeastern will call in as many favors as they can to get this done, but if I'm betting on this, I suspect NU will have to find another underutilized portion of their campus (and as someone who worked on the grounds crew there for four years during my college year summers, I know those are not easy finds, and will probably require demolition/clearing) or continue to live with it where it is now. Maybe another renovation even?

My money in the long run is, they find another on-campus site, and turn original Boston Arena into an alternate use (museum?), just like Toronto and Montreal have done with their historical old (non-demolished) NHL barns.
 
The fact that Matthews/Boston Arena almost directly abuts an MBTA right of way (Orange Line) is not gonna make things any easier, if there are plans to rebuild on the same site. I'm sure the powers that be at Northeastern will call in as many favors as they can to get this done, but if I'm betting on this, I suspect NU will have to find another underutilized portion of their campus (and as someone who worked on the grounds crew there for four years during my college year summers, I know those are not easy finds, and will probably require demolition/clearing) or continue to live with it where it is now. Maybe another renovation even?

My money in the long run is, they find another on-campus site, and turn original Boston Arena into an alternate use (museum?), just like Toronto and Montreal have done with their historical old (non-demolished) NHL barns.

I don’t think they have a choice but to demolish Matthews. The foundation/building is too far gone.

I certainly question whether spending $250MM+ on a new facility makes sense but they must think they can attract enough outside events for it to be worth it. They’re likely going to free up some land by having the field house there too.
 
Back when Conte was being built, BC did play the majority of their home games at WBA. When BC had the home game against BU, we played that game at the Garden.
The BC Wanderers wandered for two seasons: 1986-87 and 1987-88. In 86-87 they played both 'home' games vs BU at the Garden, but in 87-88 they played their lone 'home game' vs BU at Matthew's. Here is where they played those seasons:
1986-87
10 Walter Brown (including 2 NCAA games)
4 Matthews (including exhibition vs Moscow-Spartak)
3 Bright
2 Garden (both vs BU)
1987-88
9 Walter Brown (including exhibition vs Team USA)
3 Matthews (including game vs BU)
3 Bright
​2-year totals
19 Walter Brown
7 Matthew's
6 Bright
2 Garden

For NU the best option might be at a renovated Walter Brown (I find it highly unlikely NU can start work before WBA is renovated). BU might even be willing to have their women practice and play at Agganis while both NU teams practice and play at WBA, making scheduling much easier. A second option might be both men's teams using Agganis and both women's teams using WBA.

Using Conte is likely a non-starter, what with BC needing it for 4 teams already. Bright-Landry is the only other realist option. The TD Garden is a non-starter for practice, and probably too expensive for games, as well as having scheduling issues.

Sean
 
I don't think they have a choice but to demolish Matthews. The foundation/building is too far gone.

I don't think that's necessarily the case, Drew. I certainly don't think the City of Boston is just gonna take Northeastern's word for it. The soils under the arena certainly pose their challenges, but that's the way it's been for over a hundred years now. I'm sure with the advances in today's building technology, there are workarounds. Certainly, that's what it sounds like the plan was when the project started out as of two years ago. At some point, my guess is someone in NU admin decided, "Hey, why not test the waters on a new building on roughly the same site, before we're forced to commit another $100MM into remediation efforts to preserve the historical old structure?"

For what it's worth, Boston's Symphony Hall is located about a block and a half north of Boston Arena, in the same backfill-laden Back Bay area (and likely similar soils composition), and was built in ( ... wait for it ... ) 1900, or ten (10) years before Boston Arena. It too closely abuts yet another subway right of way, and yet no one is advocating for its replacement (at least not that I'm aware of?), or claiming that landmark is "nearing the end of its useful life". According to BSO records I can find on the Internet, Symphony Hall hosted almost a quarter million guests the year before the pandemic. I seriously doubt Northeastern is bringing even half that many folks into Mathews for hockey and hoops annually.

I certainly question whether spending $250MM+ on a new facility makes sense but they must think they can attract enough outside events for it to be worth it. They're likely going to free up some land by having the field house there too.

Totally agree, hard to imagine that spending a quarter billion dollars on a new facility is gonna balance the books at NU, except for the write-offs like depreciation, losses, etc. can cushion the overall NU operating budget. Simply as a stand-alone, there are too many other facilities nearby to compete with for a limited number of events - especially events they're already not getting now, probably not so much for the "structural issues" with the arena, as opposed to its difficult location and crappy parking options. Agganis has already sopped up most of that market for the long foreseeable future, because it's modern, it's got plenty of parking, it's easier to get to AND it's already there. In short ... good luck with that.

I'm not sure what benefits consolidating a new arena with a "fieldhouse" will offer? I certainly don't see new revenue coming from that, but what do I know anyway, right? I thought I saw someone in an earlier post talk about the Reggie Lewis Center, which I believe is relatively nearby, but is not on the NU campus, but rather on the campus of Roxbury Community College. If that idea was somehow to fold up RLC to combine it with a new Mathews ... nothing will ensure a political response (and faster death) for the proposed new arena project. One only needs to look at the headwinds faced by the new Boston entry into Women's Pro Soccer as they propose to upgrade/renovate White Stadium, located in a corner of Franklin Park a few stops further down the Orange Line from Northeastern/Mathews, also in Roxbury. Politics in Boston as an obstacle cannot be understated.

Nothing lasts forever, but iconic college sports venues in Boston seem to come close. Soldier Field (Harvard football/soccer) is located in Allston (part of Boston), and was built in 1903. Harvard obviously has one of (if not THE) biggest endowment on the planet, and could easily build a new state of the art facility a dozen times over without blinking. Yet Soldier Field and its gothic Roman presence remains undisturbed going well into its second century, with no end in sight, after numerous renovations. My money is on Mathews turning into the second coming of Soldier Field, so like it or not Northeastern fans, Mathews isn't going away anytime soon. JMHO.
 
My two cents:
NU has one chance (for the first time in 114 years) to get this right, and IMHO, this is not it. Matthews has been a treasure to the city of Boston and has been a privilege for NU to call "home". My first reaction, if not being too honest was, "are you kidding?". The new place should have SOME kind of thought given to tradition, history, and character to honor the building it is replacing. And should have a vision for the future growth of the programs that will call it home.

Likes : Its new, which the teams need and deserve. Matthews needs to be replaced. The restrooms seem to be adequate. Large hospitality suite (which is cool). “Trees” (I hope that is a basketball reference). The press box is HUGE. There is a balcony. Assuming facilities for the players will be first rate.


Dislikes : (See first two lines above). The "new arena building will be 1.5 x the size of Agganis in GSF (misleading). (I also noticed that BU changed their Agganis details from 200,000 GSF to 290,000 GSF after this announcement came out, good gawd!) Seating down to 4000 for hockey, and 5000 for basketball. Building is contained in the same block, does not use Gainsborough footprint for athletics as originally planned. The hockey teams have no home for basically 3 full seasons.

Curious about: Building does not say, “we are committed to win an NCAA hockey championship”, nor “we are going back to the days of Jim Calhoun (when there were 6700-7000 fans on a bunch of occasions). It says “we are what we are, and this is all we are going to be moving forward”. How hamstrung NU was by the city. In the updated 10-year plan, the Gainsborough footprint is projected to be used for some 16 story recreation building anyway, so why not integrate this function with new arena structure, and open up more possibilities? Never understood why NU didn’t make a deal to use a less restrictive footprint other side of tracks for this, (realizing some of that is shared with the city).

Hopes: They reconsider and still have an opportunity to rethink this and make it something very special. (If not bigger, something with more character). They are not bound by the current food contract in place. This does not hurt recruiting. The plan for the inside of the arena creates an new experience on par with the feel of history Matthews has.

If this gets built, I’m still going to be there, happy to support NU. My fear is that this is like raising a white flag to reaching greater heights. This will not compete with the arenas down the street when it comes to attracting recruits. And with the likes of UNC, NC State, Alabama, UNLV, Iowa, Georgia, Arizona, Penn, Illinois, UNLV, Navy, Rhode Island, Syracuse, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado, Colorado State at least considering adding D1 hockey, attracting recruits is only going to get more competitive.
 
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The current proposed exterior design is atrocious. Zero character. Doesn’t even look like an arena/events center. I pray NU reconsiders this design or we are stuck for the next 100 years.
 
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