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Northeast Regional: BC vs Denver, Lowell vs Mankato

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claver2010 said:
Reads like a UML fan, reword the same accomplishment as many times a possible and raise a banner for each! :D
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You sonofa... well, yeah, you kind of have us on that one hahah! It was a great year, we don't have that many banners to look at alright!
 
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hawkeytown said:
I don't think lowell fans are discounting Minn state at all. Frankly - I don't know much about them, and have not seen them play to form an opinion. They are in the tourney for a reason, and looking forward to the matchup
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Same here. Haven't seen any such comment and certainly don't believe such. I do think that if we play like we did last weekend, we have a superb CHANCE to win but who knows what Minn State is going to bring.
 
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Patronick said:
I think they're a pretty good team in a really bad conference. I think outside of Ferris State and Minnesota State there isn't another half decent team in the WCHA this season. I think their current streak is impressive, especially knocking off Ferris to win the title, but I also think it's hollow. 3 vs. Northern Michigan, 2 vs. Bemidji State, Alabama-Huntsville, LSSU & Michigan Tech and one apiece vs. Bowling Green and Ferris State. The streak is against teams with a combined winning percentage of .428 and an average RPI of 35. Before that game against Ferris, the 11-0-1 streak was against teams with a combined winning percentage of .379 and an average RPI of 40. I think Minnesota State is very good on special teams, but it seems they spend a lot of time in the box. I think the only time this season they saw goalies near Hellebuyck's level (Wilcox for two games, pre-WJC Gilles for two games) they scored a combined 2 goals in four games and were outscored 15-2. I think they're coming into the Northeast Regional hot and with a lot of confidence, and I think Lowell is going to get their best on Saturday night.
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Interesting insight and perspective. I'm not looking past Saturday by any means, nor dismissing MN State. Last year we were going up against the "hottest team in the country" in Wisconsin the first round, expected a great, competitive game, and UML dismantled them 7-1. Not that I'm expecting that Saturday but it is interesting to see what a team looks like when you peel the layers of the onion back a little.
 
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I've watched some game film this week, particularly studying the Lowell D-Zone and Hellebyuck, and he's a very fundamentally sound goaltender. Makes every save you'd anticipate him to with ease. He's one of the best I've seen, and actually reminds me a lot of Sam Brittain, who I saw play twice last weekend. Their defensive zone is extremely disciplined, and opponents have a tough time getting an established forecheck. Should be an it interesting matchup, as the Mavericks' forwards generally can sustain a lot of pressure.
 
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Some random fun facts..

Minnesota State won it's first conference tournament last weekend. In fact, the Mavericks had never won a WCHA Final Five game until last Friday.

The Mavericks are enjoying back to back NCAA tournament berths for the first time, and this is their third National Tournament. ('03 Loss to Cornell, '13 Loss to Miami)

Minnesota State's captain, Johnny McInnis, is the only Maverick fom Massachusetts, originally hailing from Boston.

The Riverhawks have no one from the state of Minnesota.

In his last 7 games, Bryce Gervais has 7 goals and 4 assists, and is a team best +7 in that stretch.

Since the playoffs began, the Mavericks are averaging just 7 penalty minutes a game.

UML's Connor Hellebuyck hasn't surrendered a goal in his last 142:14.
 
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Patronick said:
I think they're a pretty good team in a really bad conference. I think outside of Ferris State and Minnesota State there isn't another half decent team in the WCHA this season. I think their current streak is impressive, especially knocking off Ferris to win the title, but I also think it's hollow. 3 vs. Northern Michigan, 2 vs. Bemidji State, Alabama-Huntsville, LSSU & Michigan Tech and one apiece vs. Bowling Green and Ferris State. The streak is against teams with a combined winning percentage of .428 and an average RPI of 35. Before that game against Ferris, the 11-0-1 streak was against teams with a combined winning percentage of .379 and an average RPI of 40. I think Minnesota State is very good on special teams, but it seems they spend a lot of time in the box. I think the only time this season they saw goalies near Hellebuyck's level (Wilcox for two games, pre-WJC Gilles for two games) they scored a combined 2 goals in four games and were outscored 15-2. I think they're coming into the Northeast Regional hot and with a lot of confidence, and I think Lowell is going to get their best on Saturday night.
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That's a pretty good assessment from just looking at stats. The only thing that I would say is the Providence series is a bit deceiving. In that series, we lost the "straw that stirs the drink" offensively and specifically on the power play. Zach Lehrke "retired" just under 2 weeks before the season due to an extremely painful medical condition that causes him to severely cramp up after physical activities (he came back to finish up his season in November and just after the MN series). Also, we had lost defensive leaders from last season and it took half of the season for the defensive corps to come around and learn how to play. Add to that, Huggins wasn't the goalie in that series. Williams fell apart at the beginning of the year and Huggins took over after that (technically Williams got pulled and Huggins inserted giving up no goals). That's not to say anything you said was inaccurate, just that this is a totally different team than the once that played the first 2 months of the season and depending on the Providence/MN series to judge them is probably not an accurate perception. The numbers tell a story, but not necessarily the whole story.

This MSU team is probably one of the most frustrating to watch. They have played amazingly well at the end of this season. I, personally, think the WCHA level of play is better than most are giving credit for, but that's a debate for a different day. MSU has played their worst games against the best teams until the conference tourney. They have made mistakes against the best teams that they haven't made against others (part of that is because their tough non-conference schedule was at the beginning of the year). Frankly, MSU has fed the perception of the WCHA by the **** poor play out of the conference. It should be a good game. Huggins is playing extremely well and, I think, will keep the game close.
 
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claver2010 said:
Reads like a UML fan, reword the same accomplishment as many times a possible and raise a banner for each! :D
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Was at Quinnipiac for the women's national title game and noticed that QU did the same thing, raising two separate "Regional Champion" and "Frozen Four" banners. Heh.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Was at Quinnipiac for the women's national title game and noticed that QU did the same thing, raising two separate "Regional Champion" and "Frozen Four" banners. Heh.
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Yeah...I hope we rethink that. As proud as I am to support the team, I'm also of the mind that it's overkill.
 
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Go-UML said:
Yeah...I hope we rethink that. As proud as I am to support the team, I'm also of the mind that it's overkill.
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It was really only the Regional Champion one that got me, because the Frozen Four banner is the same thing.
 
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I was there for an MIAA game and I thought it was overkill. Hopefully, UML will be successful enough in the future that there won't be an banners for making the tournament either. It's kinda like (don't know if they still do) the Bruins having banners for winning their division when the Celtics had banners for championships only.
 
CLS said:
I was there for an MIAA game and I thought it was overkill. Hopefully, UML will be successful enough in the future that there won't be an banners for making the tournament either. It's kinda like (don't know if they still do) the Bruins having banners for winning their division when the Celtics had banners for championships only.
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I think they should have one banner for making the NCAA tourney and just add to it
 
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UMLFan said:
We have what ... four banners for last year? Overkill.
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I think its actually five for '12-'13. :rolleyes:

HE Reg Season
HE Tourney
NCAA Tourney
NCAA Region
Frozen Four

Also, I could have sworn when I first began following the team all of the NCAA Tournament appearances were listed on one banner (as they should be). Did they separate each one into its own banner during the off-season?
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Minnesota State won it's first conference tournament last weekend. In fact, the Mavericks had never won a WCHA Final Five game until last Friday.

The Mavericks are enjoying back to back NCAA tournament berths for the first time, and this is their third National Tournament. ('03 Loss to Cornell, '13 Loss to Miami)
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This story is very similar to Lowell's last season. Two seasons ago Lowell made the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1996, and last year they won their first D-I conference tournament which also triggered the first back to back D-I NCAA appearance.

That said, I hope that's where the similarities to Lowell's season last year end. :)
 
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Patronick said:
Feel free to disagree all you want. Like I said, everyone has the right to be wrong if they choose to be. Hellebuyck was left off the Hobey Top 10 because he was hurt for a stretch and split some weekends with Carr, so he didn't have the minutes the other goalies had. I wish he had had the chance to play against AIC, Penn State, Princeton and the three games against Clarkson, but he didn't.

What are you judging goalies by? Call me crazy, I'm choosing to use their stats.

Hellebuyck 1.73 (1st) .943 (1st)
Wilcox 1.90 (3rd) .933 (2nd)
Rumpel 2.03 (8th) .930 (T-6th)
Motte 2.25 (16th) .926 (13th)
Britain 2.10 (12th) .932 (3rd)
Stevens 1.95 (5th) .931 (5th)
Garteig 1.88 (2nd) .912 (30something, rankings don't go that high)
Huggins 1.91 (4th) .924 (T-18th)

I didn't disparage the other goalies. I think Wilcox is superb. I think Rumpel is very good. So is Gilles and Summerhays. I don't think Motte is in Hellebuyck's league, and the stats agree with me. (Ok, maybe I disparaged Motte) I just said Hellebuyck is the best in the country. And he is. Look, I wish I had the time to sit down and explain to you, step by step, why he's the best in the country. I'm sure colorful charts and/or hours of game tape would really get the message across. I just don't have that kind of time. Take my word for it. Or the words of fans of other teams who've agreed with me. Or be wrong. The world's your oyster.
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When your goalie has missed part of the year, as Colin Stevens has, its best to look at their most recent 8 games:

Stevens 1.00 (1st) .968 (1st) (8 goals on 247 shots)
Stevens has 4 shutouts in his last 8 games and is tied with Conor for second in the nation with 6
Stevens won/lost 18-4-2 (1st)

However, as you point out, he got these against the lowly EZAC conference opponents so they cannot have much meaning now can they ..... :rolleyes:
 
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Dutchman said:
When your goalie has missed part of the year, as Colin Stevens has, its best to look at their most recent 8 games:

Stevens 1.00 (1st) .968 (1st) (8 goals on 247 shots)
Stevens has 4 shutouts in his last 8 games and is tied with Conor for second in the nation with 6
Stevens won/lost 18-4-2 (1st)

However, as you point out, he got these against the lowly EZAC conference opponents so they cannot have much meaning now can they ..... :rolleyes:
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What are you arguing here? That Stevens is in the same stratosphere as Hellebuyck? Or was it just an opportunity to whine about the understandable lack of respect given to the ECAC?
 
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Dutchman said:
When your goalie has missed part of the year, as Colin Stevens has, its best to look at their most recent 8 games:

Stevens 1.00 (1st) .968 (1st) (8 goals on 247 shots)
Stevens has 4 shutouts in his last 8 games and is tied with Conor for second in the nation with 6
Stevens won/lost 18-4-2 (1st)

However, as you point out, he got these against the lowly EZAC conference opponents so they cannot have much meaning now can they ..... :rolleyes:
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He missed 6 games 4 of those games at the very beginning of the year? Why would you only look at the last 8? Oh I see because then the 4 goal game doesn't count and nor does the stretch of 3 GAA games...

Maybe it should be when your goalie has missed part of the year as Conner Hellebuyck has, then it's best to only look at the last 2 games, where he has a sv% of 1.000 and a GAA of 0. And that was only during the HE semifinal and final games... and of course HE is weak and there it shouldn't even count. The best measure would be to only look at games that occurred between Jan 23 and Jan 25th ;)
 
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