Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
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North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
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Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
How is 95,552 posts even possible? Really Brenthoven? I've lurked around these threads silently for a few years and you have given me more than a handful of laughs, but how is 95.5K posts even possible?
How is 95,552 posts even possible? Really Brenthoven? I've lurked around these threads silently for a few years and you have given me more than a handful of laughs, but how is 95.5K posts even possible?
Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
Some people watch mindless drivel that is known as network TV. Some play vid games fervently. I post. Score updates threads help.
mnstate0fhockey
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That's swell, but I've read enough errors, "I'm not sures" and course corrections to not accept every claim about their scheduling practices at face.
Pretty much where I stand.
HarleyMC
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I'm curious, how would you "know" that? I've personally been involved as a player in numerous SOs, and nearly all the guys I played with, some with AHL contracts, liked them as well. But without a doubt, the vast majority would prefer sudden death OT over a SO in any game and there's no way in hell anyone would ever think about slapping blame on an extended OT if someone got hurt.
The chance of injury increases statistically as the game goes on, but from a player standpoint no one cares...play on. I think for a championship game the sudden death OT is warranted and I concur with tDon, but for the other games I can see staying with the SO format for scheduling purposes.
I'm curious, how would you "know" that? I've personally been involved as a player in numerous SOs, and nearly all the guys I played with, some with AHL contracts, liked them as well. But without a doubt, the vast majority would prefer sudden death OT over a SO in any game and there's no way in hell anyone would ever think about slapping blame on an extended OT if someone got hurt.
The chance of injury increases statistically as the game goes on, but from a player standpoint no one cares...play on. I think for a championship game the sudden death OT is warranted and I concur with tDon, but for the other games I can see staying with the SO format for scheduling purposes.mnstate0fhockey
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I'm curious, how would you "know" that? I've personally been involved as a player in numerous SOs, and nearly all the guys I played with, some with AHL contracts, liked them as well. But without a doubt, the vast majority would prefer sudden death OT over a SO in any game and there's no way in hell anyone would ever think about slapping blame on an extended OT if someone got hurt.
I agree with this. Sudden death for championship game and shootouts for the rest.
dxmnkd316
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Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
It wasn't for most people. But until this point I hadn't heard a true admission. Now it's fact.
It wasn't for most people. But until this point I hadn't heard a true admission. Now it's fact.
dxmnkd316
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Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
You don't think the fans would go into outrage mode if we lost Fasching because a blown knee during a 2nd or 3rd OT in a fairly meaningless tournament?
I'm curious, how would you "know" that? I've personally been involved as a player in numerous SOs, and nearly all the guys I played with, some with AHL contracts, liked them as well. But without a doubt, the vast majority would prefer sudden death OT over a SO in any game and there's no way in hell anyone would ever think about slapping blame on an extended OT if someone got hurt.
You don't think the fans would go into outrage mode if we lost Fasching because a blown knee during a 2nd or 3rd OT in a fairly meaningless tournament?
HarleyMC
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Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
I can't speak for how others might react. But I've never heard fans complain like that before and I've played and attended hockey games at all levels ever since I can remember. I see your point if the OTs were incorporated throughout the tourney and as I mentioned for scheduling purposes as well, I think it's wise to maintain the SO format. But for the championship game...I CAN guarantee you from a player standpoint...balls to the walls man, play til someone wins.
I can't speak for how others might react. But I've never heard fans complain like that before and I've played and attended hockey games at all levels ever since I can remember. I see your point if the OTs were incorporated throughout the tourney and as I mentioned for scheduling purposes as well, I think it's wise to maintain the SO format. But for the championship game...I CAN guarantee you from a player standpoint...balls to the walls man, play til someone wins.
dxmnkd316
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I could probably be persuaded when it comes to the championship game. But like I said, I'll defer to tDon even if I disagree. It won't stop from being a bit peeved if we lose someone in the future due to this scenario playing out though.
I could probably be persuaded when it comes to the championship game. But like I said, I'll defer to tDon even if I disagree. It won't stop from being a bit peeved if we lose someone in the future due to this scenario playing out though.
HarleyMC
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Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
I think that's exactly what tDon is proposing, NOT OT for the entire tourney.
I think that's exactly what tDon is proposing, NOT OT for the entire tourney.
Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
No one making decisions at any of the Minnesota schools would have been surprised by a 2-for-1 offer. It's just reality. To expect the Univ. of MN to agree to evenly trading games with all the Minnesota teams is ridiculous. It was never going to happen. The alternatives UMD would have to have wanted would have been a series with the Gophers in the ratio of once every 3 or 4 years, or the Gophers telling Mankato and Bemidji to pound sand.
You say the Gophers told UMD that they would be "considered" for a 2-for-1 scheduling arrangement. That may be the case, but it is the first I have heard about any specific scheduling negotiations between the schools. Your claims that you were tied into the team and that you slept on the couches in the arenas are all well and good, but unless you can point to something in the public record your reporting on these "negotiations" will be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm also left shaking my head about the idea that UMD or St. Cloud telling the Gophers to "shove it" in a scheduling proposal somehow strong-armed them into coming up with the North Star cup; an agreement that effectively set up a 2-for-1 trade regardless.
As point of fact, there is no financial incentive for the Gophers to play the other MN schools just for the sake of playing MN schools. Cheap road trips? The Gophers have 3 non-con away series to schedule each year. It's not difficult for them to come up with attractive options, especially considering the 1-for-1 deals that are currently set up with teams like Notre Dame and BC and the upcoming agreement with UND.
If I were King of the World the season would be expanded to 38 regular season games, the Univ. of MN athletic dept. wouldn't have a policy mandating 20 (yes, 20, not 22) home games per season and the Gophers would alternate home series with each of the MN schools each year.
Scratch that. If I were King of the World the Big 10 wouldn't have started a hockey conference.
But none of those things are reality. Given the circumstances, the North Star cup was a good compromise where each school gave a little bit and maybe will end up fostering something that is even more beneficial for all the schools.
The tournament arose because all 5 schools wanted to maintain ties, and were willing to compromise some other priorities to make that happen. So yes, I can't believe anyone is complaining.
No one making decisions at any of the Minnesota schools would have been surprised by a 2-for-1 offer. It's just reality. To expect the Univ. of MN to agree to evenly trading games with all the Minnesota teams is ridiculous. It was never going to happen. The alternatives UMD would have to have wanted would have been a series with the Gophers in the ratio of once every 3 or 4 years, or the Gophers telling Mankato and Bemidji to pound sand.
You say the Gophers told UMD that they would be "considered" for a 2-for-1 scheduling arrangement. That may be the case, but it is the first I have heard about any specific scheduling negotiations between the schools. Your claims that you were tied into the team and that you slept on the couches in the arenas are all well and good, but unless you can point to something in the public record your reporting on these "negotiations" will be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm also left shaking my head about the idea that UMD or St. Cloud telling the Gophers to "shove it" in a scheduling proposal somehow strong-armed them into coming up with the North Star cup; an agreement that effectively set up a 2-for-1 trade regardless.
As point of fact, there is no financial incentive for the Gophers to play the other MN schools just for the sake of playing MN schools. Cheap road trips? The Gophers have 3 non-con away series to schedule each year. It's not difficult for them to come up with attractive options, especially considering the 1-for-1 deals that are currently set up with teams like Notre Dame and BC and the upcoming agreement with UND.
If I were King of the World the season would be expanded to 38 regular season games, the Univ. of MN athletic dept. wouldn't have a policy mandating 20 (yes, 20, not 22) home games per season and the Gophers would alternate home series with each of the MN schools each year.
Scratch that. If I were King of the World the Big 10 wouldn't have started a hockey conference.
But none of those things are reality. Given the circumstances, the North Star cup was a good compromise where each school gave a little bit and maybe will end up fostering something that is even more beneficial for all the schools.
The tournament arose because all 5 schools wanted to maintain ties, and were willing to compromise some other priorities to make that happen. So yes, I can't believe anyone is complaining.
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Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
Regardless of anything else you've said or where you went to school or which team you rout for, this comment makes you a huge dooschbag. Hopefully you've grown up since that time (if it happened), but since you are bragging about it here, it probably isn't likely. How ****ing childish.
Re: North Star College Cup - MN, UMD, MSU, SCSU
I will back up Dtown to this extent. When the conference stuff happened, Troy Jutting was telling the Blue Line Club for MSU that the Gophers were asking for 2-for-1s. I don't think that surprises anyone. His comment at the time was that it's all fine and dandy if they want to do that, but they were going to have to pay a small ransom to make that happen (ie. MN was going to have to make up for the fact that we would, in essence, be losing a home series during that time) . I don't think that without A)the NSCC or B)2-for-1s the Gophers would be playing the MN schools. I'm not saying it's fact that it's the only way, but the hints that those in the know have given is that's the case.
I'll disagree with you slightly about the financial aspect. There is a HUGE financial incentive for the Gophers to schedule the MN schools. You have to start with the fact that the Gophers were only going to schedule 2:1 with the MN schools. So now you have 2 different ways the Gophers end up with more money. They get 2 extra games at home and they have 1 weekend that they pay very little in expenses. That's a huge financial incentive.
Now, let's look at the MN schools. You're "left shaking your head" that they all told the Gophers that it wasn't going to happen? Seriously, what incentive is there for the other schools to schedule a 2:1? Unless the Gophers are willing to pay big dollars for other schools to come in that arrangement, there isn't one. They may not have strong-armed the Gophers into anything, but they sure didn't give them much of a choice either. In a sense it's a 2:1, but everyone is splitting the revenue for the NSCC so it's not in the truest sense of the term.
The reality is that the NSCC works out for everyone. The Gophers get 2 series built in at home, get a cheap travel series, and get a de facto home series in terms of travel with the NSCC. They get revenue from 3 series every year and only have to give up 1 weekend to do it. The MN schools get a cheap travel series every year (either to MN or the NSCC) or they get the Gophers coming to town. I for one am happy the schools came to an agreement. I don't know the exact details, but I really don't think what Dtown is saying is all that far fetched. He's obviously not going to go any further than he already has.
I'm with you on this....I don't know why anyone is complaining either. It doesn't really matter how we got here. Of course the Gophers were going to ask for the world. Of course the other schools would say no to that. That's how negotiations work. It doesn't make anyone bad. Everyone has to look out for their own school first and make sure they aren't being taken advantage of. This seems like a pretty **** good compromise for everyone.
I will back up Dtown to this extent. When the conference stuff happened, Troy Jutting was telling the Blue Line Club for MSU that the Gophers were asking for 2-for-1s. I don't think that surprises anyone. His comment at the time was that it's all fine and dandy if they want to do that, but they were going to have to pay a small ransom to make that happen (ie. MN was going to have to make up for the fact that we would, in essence, be losing a home series during that time) . I don't think that without A)the NSCC or B)2-for-1s the Gophers would be playing the MN schools. I'm not saying it's fact that it's the only way, but the hints that those in the know have given is that's the case.
I'll disagree with you slightly about the financial aspect. There is a HUGE financial incentive for the Gophers to schedule the MN schools. You have to start with the fact that the Gophers were only going to schedule 2:1 with the MN schools. So now you have 2 different ways the Gophers end up with more money. They get 2 extra games at home and they have 1 weekend that they pay very little in expenses. That's a huge financial incentive.
Now, let's look at the MN schools. You're "left shaking your head" that they all told the Gophers that it wasn't going to happen? Seriously, what incentive is there for the other schools to schedule a 2:1? Unless the Gophers are willing to pay big dollars for other schools to come in that arrangement, there isn't one. They may not have strong-armed the Gophers into anything, but they sure didn't give them much of a choice either. In a sense it's a 2:1, but everyone is splitting the revenue for the NSCC so it's not in the truest sense of the term.
The reality is that the NSCC works out for everyone. The Gophers get 2 series built in at home, get a cheap travel series, and get a de facto home series in terms of travel with the NSCC. They get revenue from 3 series every year and only have to give up 1 weekend to do it. The MN schools get a cheap travel series every year (either to MN or the NSCC) or they get the Gophers coming to town. I for one am happy the schools came to an agreement. I don't know the exact details, but I really don't think what Dtown is saying is all that far fetched. He's obviously not going to go any further than he already has.
I'm with you on this....I don't know why anyone is complaining either. It doesn't really matter how we got here. Of course the Gophers were going to ask for the world. Of course the other schools would say no to that. That's how negotiations work. It doesn't make anyone bad. Everyone has to look out for their own school first and make sure they aren't being taken advantage of. This seems like a pretty **** good compromise for everyone.